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I'm not an expert, but I think the memory used is not necessarily the memory it requires. I think Java tends to grow memory usage up to a point, rather than to

I'm not an expert, but I think the memory used is not necessarily the memory it requires. I think Java tends to grow memory usage up to a point, rather than to try and release it at the cost of performance. That doesn't mean it would not be able to run on a machine with lower memory. It could run more expensive GC if it was needed

mrkeen 3y ago
I have been told this before too. Currently I can't run my integration tests on my work laptop because they spin up a bunch of "micro" services, so I run out of ram and need to reboot. The memory that Java "doesn't require" really adds up.
- imtringued 3y ago
  It's especially bad when you have to run both IntelliJ with multiple projects and grails.
- Pet_Ant 3y ago
  I believe that is why the original Java answer to microservices was EARs all within a single app server so they could share a JVM and caching. Then in production for load you could spread them all out and they can find eachother... but I've never worked in actively developed JEE (as opposed to a legacy one).
seadan83 3y ago
Java by default allocates a healthy percentage of available RAM. It releases memory if a large percentage is unused, and it only runs full GC when a large percentage is used. The trick is therefore to decrease the initial max memory. Otherwise you can wind up with 70% usage, a lot of objects that could be GC'd but are not because there is not enough memory pressure to run full GC, and there is not enough unused memory to be able to release RAM back to the OS
- ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago
  See my reply to the other comment - I specifically refer to off-heap memory, not on-heap/GC-managed memory.
ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago
I'm here specifically referring to off-heap memory. I verified this by looking into the jvm with VisualVM. These are objects that aren't part of the normal java heap area and aren't part of garbage collection. The offheap can contain many things - classloaded code, memory-mapped files, direct bytebuffers, and so on. And since it's offheap, it's hard to analyze from Java tooling. So I literally don't know what it was doing. So in my above scenario, I could indeed run the app with a -Xmx32M and yet the application was still using 200-300MB of resident memory (RSS) due to offheap usage.
- NovaX 3y ago
  You can use native memory tracking to better inspect offheap usages. I had a similar problem where the default MaxMetaspaceSize was excessive and adjusted it to a reasonable setting. -XX:NativeMemoryTracking=summary jcmd <pid> VM.native_memory summary

mrkeen 3y ago

I have been told this before too. Currently I can't run my integration tests on my work laptop because they spin up a bunch of "micro" services, so I run out of ram and need to reboot. The memory that Java "doesn't require" really adds up.

imtringued 3y ago
It's especially bad when you have to run both IntelliJ with multiple projects and grails.
Pet_Ant 3y ago
I believe that is why the original Java answer to microservices was EARs all within a single app server so they could share a JVM and caching. Then in production for load you could spread them all out and they can find eachother... but I've never worked in actively developed JEE (as opposed to a legacy one).

seadan83 3y ago

Java by default allocates a healthy percentage of available RAM. It releases memory if a large percentage is unused, and it only runs full GC when a large percentage is used. The trick is therefore to decrease the initial max memory. Otherwise you can wind up with 70% usage, a lot of objects that could be GC'd but are not because there is not enough memory pressure to run full GC, and there is not enough unused memory to be able to release RAM back to the OS

ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago
See my reply to the other comment - I specifically refer to off-heap memory, not on-heap/GC-managed memory.

ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago

I'm here specifically referring to off-heap memory. I verified this by looking into the jvm with VisualVM. These are objects that aren't part of the normal java heap area and aren't part of garbage collection. The offheap can contain many things - classloaded code, memory-mapped files, direct bytebuffers, and so on. And since it's offheap, it's hard to analyze from Java tooling. So I literally don't know what it was doing. So in my above scenario, I could indeed run the app with a -Xmx32M and yet the application was still using 200-300MB of resident memory (RSS) due to offheap usage.

NovaX 3y ago
You can use native memory tracking to better inspect offheap usages. I had a similar problem where the default MaxMetaspaceSize was excessive and adjusted it to a reasonable setting. -XX:NativeMemoryTracking=summary jcmd <pid> VM.native_memory summary