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The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy t

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

devwastaken 3y ago
Free energy is not real, you've been watching too much conspiracy material designed by said elites.
- dekhn 3y ago
  well, gibbs free energy is real
  - devwastaken 3y ago
    Gibbs free energy is an equation for maximum work, not free energy as in magic that violates thermodynamics.
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zamadatix 3y ago
Why would it decimate the economy and oust those in power when every other new advancement seems to grow the economy and concentrate wealth on those already able to invest in it?
- d1str0 3y ago
  Exactly. You don’t think the US or whatever nation state would absolutely use these technologies to try and conquer the rest of the world or acquire power/money?
minutillo 3y ago
The "source" of that Ben Rich quote is a MUFON article by Tom Keller, more amazing quotes: https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/05/27/ufo-accounts-are-journalists-stuff/985695007/ https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/opinion/editorials/201...
ben_w 3y ago
> Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. If free energy had that effect, electricity prices wouldn't sometimes go negative. Also, why would instant travel (at what resource cost?) be any worse than e.g. telepresence robots for humans and just-in-time delivery for goods?
- chasd00 3y ago
  Well, you could “instant travel” an IED into your political adversary’s bedroom. That would be pretty bad.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Can do that with a tube filled with any of a wide range of fuels and oxidisers, too.
- dogman144 3y ago
  Because to phrase it in a certain way - the final 10 yards of power are exerted in meatspace. You can video chat with dissidents around the world? Cool, the state can still kick in your door or shut off your ISP or shut off your cross-border financing at the ISP or.. You can travel to join those dissidents and come back as you please, wherever whenever? Where can the State able to enforce final power there? It’s much more limited.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    > Cool, the state can still kick in your door or shut off your ISP or shut off your cross-border financing at the ISP or.. Or use a drone, hence why that's clearly not sufficient technology to undermine the Illuminati or whoever it is that's supposed to benefit from suppressing space magic rapid transit.
mywittyname 3y ago
I would think the "wealthy elites" would be dying to get their hands on the tech so they can turn it into a product that generates even more wealth. Market forces are stronger than government forces.
- thedangler 3y ago
  Just like JP Morgan did with Tesla.
erulabs 3y ago
The “elite” who brings the world infinite power will be the most famous and remembered and respected human who ever lived, and will live immortal in the history books. Call me naive but I don’t think the desire to keep the status quo is greater than the desire to be the literal savior.
- Gud 3y ago
  The "elite" in many cases aren't part of the ruling class due to some intrinsic greatness, but because they were usually born into it.
erdos4d 3y ago
Assuming this is legit, what makes you believe they understand anything about this tech? They might literally have been scratching their heads all this time with this stuff. We might simply not understand the physics by which it operates and have no ability to do anything with it except dust it off periodically and let another team of eggheads strike out. I can't think of any major technology we currently have which doesn't have a totally legit origin story and which the prevailing scientific and engineering ability of the time didn't enable, so I doubt any real advances have ever come out of this.
- postalrat 3y ago
  We been studying biology for many years and can't figure it out. Cells are basically alien technology to us.
yareally 3y ago
That's actually a misquote: > "Ben Rich is constantly misquoted as saying “We now have the technology to take E.T home.” That is not what he said. At the end of his presentation he showed his final slide, a picture of a disk-shaped craft – the classic “flying saucer” – flying into a partly cloudy sky with a burst of sunlight in the background and he gave his standard tagline. It was a joke he had used in numerous presentations since 1983 when Steven Spielberg’s “E.T. the Extraterrestrial,” a film about a young boy befriending a lost visitor from space and helping the alien get home, had become the highest-grossing film of all-time. Rich apparently decided to capitalize on this popularity. By the summer of 1983, he had added the flying saucer picture to the end of a set of between 12 and 25 slides that he showed with his lecture on the history of Lockheed’s famed Skunk Works division."

devwastaken 3y ago

Free energy is not real, you've been watching too much conspiracy material designed by said elites.

dekhn 3y ago
well, gibbs free energy is real
- devwastaken 3y ago
  Gibbs free energy is an equation for maximum work, not free energy as in magic that violates thermodynamics.

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zamadatix 3y ago

Why would it decimate the economy and oust those in power when every other new advancement seems to grow the economy and concentrate wealth on those already able to invest in it?

d1str0 3y ago
Exactly. You don’t think the US or whatever nation state would absolutely use these technologies to try and conquer the rest of the world or acquire power/money?

minutillo 3y ago

The "source" of that Ben Rich quote is a MUFON article by Tom Keller, more amazing quotes: https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/05/27/ufo-accounts-are-journalists-stuff/985695007/ https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/opinion/editorials/201...

ben_w 3y ago

> Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. If free energy had that effect, electricity prices wouldn't sometimes go negative. Also, why would instant travel (at what resource cost?) be any worse than e.g. telepresence robots for humans and just-in-time delivery for goods?

chasd00 3y ago
Well, you could “instant travel” an IED into your political adversary’s bedroom. That would be pretty bad.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Can do that with a tube filled with any of a wide range of fuels and oxidisers, too.
dogman144 3y ago
Because to phrase it in a certain way - the final 10 yards of power are exerted in meatspace. You can video chat with dissidents around the world? Cool, the state can still kick in your door or shut off your ISP or shut off your cross-border financing at the ISP or.. You can travel to join those dissidents and come back as you please, wherever whenever? Where can the State able to enforce final power there? It’s much more limited.
- ben_w 3y ago
  > Cool, the state can still kick in your door or shut off your ISP or shut off your cross-border financing at the ISP or.. Or use a drone, hence why that's clearly not sufficient technology to undermine the Illuminati or whoever it is that's supposed to benefit from suppressing space magic rapid transit.

mywittyname 3y ago

I would think the "wealthy elites" would be dying to get their hands on the tech so they can turn it into a product that generates even more wealth. Market forces are stronger than government forces.

thedangler 3y ago
Just like JP Morgan did with Tesla.

erulabs 3y ago

The “elite” who brings the world infinite power will be the most famous and remembered and respected human who ever lived, and will live immortal in the history books. Call me naive but I don’t think the desire to keep the status quo is greater than the desire to be the literal savior.

Gud 3y ago
The "elite" in many cases aren't part of the ruling class due to some intrinsic greatness, but because they were usually born into it.

erdos4d 3y ago

Assuming this is legit, what makes you believe they understand anything about this tech? They might literally have been scratching their heads all this time with this stuff. We might simply not understand the physics by which it operates and have no ability to do anything with it except dust it off periodically and let another team of eggheads strike out. I can't think of any major technology we currently have which doesn't have a totally legit origin story and which the prevailing scientific and engineering ability of the time didn't enable, so I doubt any real advances have ever come out of this.

postalrat 3y ago
We been studying biology for many years and can't figure it out. Cells are basically alien technology to us.

yareally 3y ago

That's actually a misquote: > "Ben Rich is constantly misquoted as saying “We now have the technology to take E.T home.” That is not what he said. At the end of his presentation he showed his final slide, a picture of a disk-shaped craft – the classic “flying saucer” – flying into a partly cloudy sky with a burst of sunlight in the background and he gave his standard tagline. It was a joke he had used in numerous presentations since 1983 when Steven Spielberg’s “E.T. the Extraterrestrial,” a film about a young boy befriending a lost visitor from space and helping the alien get home, had become the highest-grossing film of all-time. Rich apparently decided to capitalize on this popularity. By the summer of 1983, he had added the flying saucer picture to the end of a set of between 12 and 25 slides that he showed with his lecture on the history of Lockheed’s famed Skunk Works division."