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Reddit makes 12c per user per month and are asking for about 2.5$ per user per month for 3rd parties. > Counter-example has been provided: imgur charges simila

Reddit makes 12c per user per month and are asking for about 2.5$ per user per month for 3rd parties. > Counter-example has been provided: imgur charges similar price on standard plans. Imgur presents 1/4 of the price for a more expensive hosting option. Even if you refuse to ignore his own quoted price, Reddit still comes off insanely overpriced.

riku_iki 3y ago
> Reddit makes 12c per user per month and are asking for about 2.5$ per user per month for 3rd parties. How did you arrive to 12c and $2.5? Also, is it expensive? Okta for example charges $2 just for sign in: https://www.okta.com/pricing/ https://www.okta.com/pricing/ > more expensive hosting option. this is again your speculations without any evidence. Reddit is much more complicated product with img and video hosting.
- Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
  > How did you arrive to 12c and $2.5? You could just read the link of what was sent to you, idk might help with having an actual conversation. here is the relevant text. > the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month > https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/reddit-users-are-the-least-valuable-of-any-social-network.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/reddit-users-are-the-least-v... > So at generous estimates of $600M and 430M monthly active users, that's $1.40 per user per year, or $0.12 monthly. These own numbers they've given are also seemingly inline with industry estimates as well In other words the expected price for reddit per user is 12 cents but their pricing model for APIs is retaliatory at 20x that price. > Also, is it expensive? Charging 20x what you make yourself, and again 4 times more than a similar offering? > Reddit is much more complicated product with img and video hosting. No it fucking isn't. 90% of reddit is text by volume and most of it is super short tokens too. Reddit is so uncomplicated you can make it a 1st year uni proyect to make a backend and front end with nested comments and a text post saved in a db. it is so uncomplicated most of its work behind the scenes for the apst 6 years has been on monetisation, such as the new ads, the nfts, the reddit premium, the reddit awards etc. thats where all dev time has gone, because the actual website itself is uncomplicated
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month I think you comparing very different users: power users with 344 reqs per day, many of who are moderator, and some monthly user who visited reddit once a month. Internet says reddit has 50m daily users, I think you should compare that number. Also, for 344 reqs we would need to trust apollo dev words, which I don't from obvious reasons. > No it fucking isn't. sorry, dont want to comment your unsupported claims anymore.
    - nemothekid 3y ago
      >Also, for 344 reqs we would need to trust apollo dev words, which I don't from obvious reasons. That number was corroborated by Reddit themselves.[1] There is no reason to assume malice on the side of Apollo. Regardless, $2/user is still a ridiculous ask for a social media site. That is $24/year/user. If you divide Facebook's entire expenditure for 2022 (where they pissed away billions on metaverse), and divide that by their MAU, you get a cost of $21/year/user. You really think Reddit's cost per user is higher than Facebook+Instagram+Whatsapp+Metaverse combined? The number just isn't realistic. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update_continued_access_to_our_api_for/jmddl3u/ https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        > That number was corroborated by Reddit themselves Ok, and it says other apps do 2.5x times less than that. > There is no reason to assume malice on the side of Apollo. There are very strong reasons: guy is trying to protect his business, he uses discounted imgur numbers as basis and doesn't mention standard plan numbers, so he is working hard to distort facts. > Regardless, $2/user is still a ridiculous ask for a social media site Its hyper active user given 345 daily requests, not just your regular user with few monthly visits. For example 345 reqs * 1% CTR * 10c per click will give you $10 of monthly Ads revenue if you put one Ad on each page.
        Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
- Deathmax 3y ago
  > Okta for example charges $2 just for sign in: https://www.okta.com/pricing/ https://www.okta.com/pricing/ You're looking at the wrong product, $2/user/month is for their Workforce Identity Cloud, so auth for employees, not end users. For a comparable market segment, Auth0 (acquired by Okta) which serves the B2C market charges significantly less [1]. Taking the B2C Professional plan at 1000 MAU which has the highest pricing per user due to lack of volume discounts costs $240/month for 1000 users ($0.24/user/month). Scaling up to the limit of publicly available pricing, at 10000 users Auth0 will only charge $0.15/user/month. [1]: https://auth0.com/pricing https://auth0.com/pricing
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > so auth for employees, not end users. and what is the difference in context of this discussion?

riku_iki 3y ago

> Reddit makes 12c per user per month and are asking for about 2.5$ per user per month for 3rd parties. How did you arrive to 12c and $2.5? Also, is it expensive? Okta for example charges $2 just for sign in: https://www.okta.com/pricing/ https://www.okta.com/pricing/ > more expensive hosting option. this is again your speculations without any evidence. Reddit is much more complicated product with img and video hosting.

Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
> How did you arrive to 12c and $2.5? You could just read the link of what was sent to you, idk might help with having an actual conversation. here is the relevant text. > the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month > https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/reddit-users-are-the-least-valuable-of-any-social-network.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/reddit-users-are-the-least-v... > So at generous estimates of $600M and 430M monthly active users, that's $1.40 per user per year, or $0.12 monthly. These own numbers they've given are also seemingly inline with industry estimates as well In other words the expected price for reddit per user is 12 cents but their pricing model for APIs is retaliatory at 20x that price. > Also, is it expensive? Charging 20x what you make yourself, and again 4 times more than a similar offering? > Reddit is much more complicated product with img and video hosting. No it fucking isn't. 90% of reddit is text by volume and most of it is super short tokens too. Reddit is so uncomplicated you can make it a 1st year uni proyect to make a backend and front end with nested comments and a text post saved in a db. it is so uncomplicated most of its work behind the scenes for the apst 6 years has been on monetisation, such as the new ads, the nfts, the reddit premium, the reddit awards etc. thats where all dev time has gone, because the actual website itself is uncomplicated
- riku_iki 3y ago
  > the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month I think you comparing very different users: power users with 344 reqs per day, many of who are moderator, and some monthly user who visited reddit once a month. Internet says reddit has 50m daily users, I think you should compare that number. Also, for 344 reqs we would need to trust apollo dev words, which I don't from obvious reasons. > No it fucking isn't. sorry, dont want to comment your unsupported claims anymore.
  - nemothekid 3y ago
    >Also, for 344 reqs we would need to trust apollo dev words, which I don't from obvious reasons. That number was corroborated by Reddit themselves.[1] There is no reason to assume malice on the side of Apollo. Regardless, $2/user is still a ridiculous ask for a social media site. That is $24/year/user. If you divide Facebook's entire expenditure for 2022 (where they pissed away billions on metaverse), and divide that by their MAU, you get a cost of $21/year/user. You really think Reddit's cost per user is higher than Facebook+Instagram+Whatsapp+Metaverse combined? The number just isn't realistic. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update_continued_access_to_our_api_for/jmddl3u/ https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > That number was corroborated by Reddit themselves Ok, and it says other apps do 2.5x times less than that. > There is no reason to assume malice on the side of Apollo. There are very strong reasons: guy is trying to protect his business, he uses discounted imgur numbers as basis and doesn't mention standard plan numbers, so he is working hard to distort facts. > Regardless, $2/user is still a ridiculous ask for a social media site Its hyper active user given 345 daily requests, not just your regular user with few monthly visits. For example 345 reqs * 1% CTR * 10c per click will give you $10 of monthly Ads revenue if you put one Ad on each page.
      - Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
Deathmax 3y ago
> Okta for example charges $2 just for sign in: https://www.okta.com/pricing/ https://www.okta.com/pricing/ You're looking at the wrong product, $2/user/month is for their Workforce Identity Cloud, so auth for employees, not end users. For a comparable market segment, Auth0 (acquired by Okta) which serves the B2C market charges significantly less [1]. Taking the B2C Professional plan at 1000 MAU which has the highest pricing per user due to lack of volume discounts costs $240/month for 1000 users ($0.24/user/month). Scaling up to the limit of publicly available pricing, at 10000 users Auth0 will only charge $0.15/user/month. [1]: https://auth0.com/pricing https://auth0.com/pricing
- riku_iki 3y ago
  > so auth for employees, not end users. and what is the difference in context of this discussion?