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This is why I dont understand all the doomerism. If Apple is totally bullshitting here, we're going to find out extremely quickly, which will undoubtedly harm t

This is why I dont understand all the doomerism. If Apple is totally bullshitting here, we're going to find out extremely quickly, which will undoubtedly harm their reputation in the space when it comes to the next generations. If they weren't confident it works almost as magically as its described, it would not have been shown.

mynameisvlad 3y ago
Skepticism is not doomerism— and in fact should be praised. Multiple companies have tried and failed. Their marketing demos looked just as compelling. Sure, we will find out. Eventually. In over a year when it launches. But until then, why should we trust companies who’s best interest is not to give us the truth on what their product is but rather the best possible vision for what it will be? So far every single iteration on VR/AR/XR has been extremely disappointing once actually used, but with extremely high fidelity marketing demos. This might certainly be different, but until it’s proven that it is, why should people believe it? “Fool me once” and all that very much applies.
- password54321 3y ago
  When you say something IS going to fail, then it is doomerism which isn't hard to find. Also expressing skepticism on some forum is nothing praiseworthy, only reviews matter or just trying it yourself at the Apple store once available.
  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    > When you say something IS going to fail Who, exactly in this comment thread your comment is part of, said that? Press parent up to the top, at most it's skepticism based on past experience.
    - password54321 3y ago
      One of these... Yes let me scroll down and copy and paste a comment just for you. If you are actually interested, you put in the effort yourself, otherwise we both move on.
      - mynameisvlad 3y ago
        I did already. I even said that they are at most skepticism. I asked you to do it for your own benefit, because it doesn't exist and you clearly don't know that.
- TobyTheDog123 3y ago
  >Skepticism is not doomerism— and in fact should be praised. Assuming something is going to fail, like many are across Hacker News since the announcement dropped (perhaps not in this thread), is doomerism. There's a difference between that and expressing concern over Apple's claims. >Their marketing demos looked just as compelling. I could not disagree more. I could have not been less interested in Oculus nor Google Glass from their advertisements. But an AR experience (as opposed to VR) that integrates with my Mac and iPhone? It has my attention. >why should we trust companies who’s best interest is not to give us the truth on what their product is but rather the best possible vision for what it will be Because Apple has delivered high quality products the vast majority of the time (butterfly keyboards and App Store limitations notwithstanding). Why would we assume they're suddenly dropping the ball on this, when they're on stage calling it the future of computing? > This might certainly be different, but until it’s proven that it is, why should people believe it? It all comes down to the company producing it - Apple hasn't made a device like this before, and comparing Apple's products to Meta's and Google's is a terrible metric to go by. It's like eating gas station sushi, getting sick, then going to an upscale sushi bar, and saying "Ohhh I've had terrible experience with Sushi in the past" Even if you aren't willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a company that consistently produces high quality products and building a brand new product line, express that very healthy skepticism by trying it out at an Apple Store before purchasing - at that price tag, I sure am.

mynameisvlad 3y ago

Skepticism is not doomerism— and in fact should be praised. Multiple companies have tried and failed. Their marketing demos looked just as compelling. Sure, we will find out. Eventually. In over a year when it launches. But until then, why should we trust companies who’s best interest is not to give us the truth on what their product is but rather the best possible vision for what it will be? So far every single iteration on VR/AR/XR has been extremely disappointing once actually used, but with extremely high fidelity marketing demos. This might certainly be different, but until it’s proven that it is, why should people believe it? “Fool me once” and all that very much applies.

password54321 3y ago
When you say something IS going to fail, then it is doomerism which isn't hard to find. Also expressing skepticism on some forum is nothing praiseworthy, only reviews matter or just trying it yourself at the Apple store once available.
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  > When you say something IS going to fail Who, exactly in this comment thread your comment is part of, said that? Press parent up to the top, at most it's skepticism based on past experience.
  - password54321 3y ago
    One of these... Yes let me scroll down and copy and paste a comment just for you. If you are actually interested, you put in the effort yourself, otherwise we both move on.
    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      I did already. I even said that they are at most skepticism. I asked you to do it for your own benefit, because it doesn't exist and you clearly don't know that.
TobyTheDog123 3y ago
>Skepticism is not doomerism— and in fact should be praised. Assuming something is going to fail, like many are across Hacker News since the announcement dropped (perhaps not in this thread), is doomerism. There's a difference between that and expressing concern over Apple's claims. >Their marketing demos looked just as compelling. I could not disagree more. I could have not been less interested in Oculus nor Google Glass from their advertisements. But an AR experience (as opposed to VR) that integrates with my Mac and iPhone? It has my attention. >why should we trust companies who’s best interest is not to give us the truth on what their product is but rather the best possible vision for what it will be Because Apple has delivered high quality products the vast majority of the time (butterfly keyboards and App Store limitations notwithstanding). Why would we assume they're suddenly dropping the ball on this, when they're on stage calling it the future of computing? > This might certainly be different, but until it’s proven that it is, why should people believe it? It all comes down to the company producing it - Apple hasn't made a device like this before, and comparing Apple's products to Meta's and Google's is a terrible metric to go by. It's like eating gas station sushi, getting sick, then going to an upscale sushi bar, and saying "Ohhh I've had terrible experience with Sushi in the past" Even if you aren't willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a company that consistently produces high quality products and building a brand new product line, express that very healthy skepticism by trying it out at an Apple Store before purchasing - at that price tag, I sure am.