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FYI, "Hispanic/latino" don't identify as white, but they are labeled as such by outsiders for political motivations.

majormajor 3y ago
> FYI, "Hispanic/latino" don't identify as white It seems much more accurate to say "people identifying as Hispanic/Latino also identify as white with varying frequency and in varying ways over time and it's complicated also by people of non-white+Hispanic origin." Much more discussion here: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upshot/more-hispanics-declaring-themselves-white.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upshot/more-hispanics-dec... , https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/should-latinos-be-considered-a-race https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/should-latinos-...
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
There are white Mexicans, black Mexicans, and Indian/mixed Mexicans. I’m not sure if you would consider any of them to be Hispanic/Latino, but the ethnic groups exist in Mexico (and other Latin American countries surely), so isn’t it weird that they are collapsed into one ethnicity in the United States? Maybe some weird aspect of immigration physics I’m not considering? See: - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mexicans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mexicans - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexicans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexicans - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos_in_Mexico https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos_in_Mexico
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smt88 3y ago
Race is a fuzzy and unscientific concept, and "Hispanic/Latino" is a breathtakingly diverse category to try to fit people in. Some identify as white, some don't.
next_xibalba 3y ago
You are way, way off. 20%+ of Hispanic/Latino people in the U.S. identify as white. Feel free to point to data that says otherwise. Source: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/redistricting-supplementary-tables/redistricting-supplementary-table-04.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data...
- leereeves 3y ago
  > 20%+ of Hispanic/Latino people in the U.S. identify as white. When asked a question that doesn't have Hispanic as an option. As another comment mentioned, the Biden administration has proposed changing that question (by including a Hispanic option) to better reflect people's identities.
- simplify 3y ago
  When you're forced to pick your skin color, what else are you supposed to do?

> FYI, "Hispanic/latino" don't identify as white It seems much more accurate to say "people identifying as Hispanic/Latino also identify as white with varying frequency and in varying ways over time and it's complicated also by people of non-white+Hispanic origin." Much more discussion here: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upshot/more-hispanics-declaring-themselves-white.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upshot/more-hispanics-dec... , https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/should-latinos-be-considered-a-race https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/should-latinos-...

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

There are white Mexicans, black Mexicans, and Indian/mixed Mexicans. I’m not sure if you would consider any of them to be Hispanic/Latino, but the ethnic groups exist in Mexico (and other Latin American countries surely), so isn’t it weird that they are collapsed into one ethnicity in the United States? Maybe some weird aspect of immigration physics I’m not considering? See: - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mexicans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mexicans - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexicans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexicans - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos_in_Mexico https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizos_in_Mexico

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smt88 3y ago

Race is a fuzzy and unscientific concept, and "Hispanic/Latino" is a breathtakingly diverse category to try to fit people in. Some identify as white, some don't.

next_xibalba 3y ago

You are way, way off. 20%+ of Hispanic/Latino people in the U.S. identify as white. Feel free to point to data that says otherwise. Source: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/redistricting-supplementary-tables/redistricting-supplementary-table-04.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data...

leereeves 3y ago
> 20%+ of Hispanic/Latino people in the U.S. identify as white. When asked a question that doesn't have Hispanic as an option. As another comment mentioned, the Biden administration has proposed changing that question (by including a Hispanic option) to better reflect people's identities.
simplify 3y ago
When you're forced to pick your skin color, what else are you supposed to do?