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Ok, but $3,499 is a steep price tag. Granted, the pixel density and design look amazing. They are probably the absolute best VR/AR goggles on the consumer marke

Ok, but $3,499 is a steep price tag. Granted, the pixel density and design look amazing. They are probably the absolute best VR/AR goggles on the consumer market to date, but to try something out and totally shift your computing habits at that steep of a tag is going to be a stretch for a lot of people. Like it might be worth it if you really are able to replace your standard monitor setup and use these for long stretches with out neck or eye strain. But how will you know until you try? I saw someone say elsewhere, these are not for consumers in general. They are for developers to work with, build software for, come up with new things… then, if and when a niche is found, they’ll probably make a much less expensive consumer model that focuses on that use case. That being said, I would love to try these, but I’m more interested in an upgraded laptop at the moment, and that money would buy a nice one.

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basisword 3y ago
The original iPhone cost so much people mocked it. It costs twice as much now and people buy them for their 8 year olds. If the device provides enough utility (and I imagine down the line these will replace laptops, tablets and TV’s for a lot of people), the price won’t matter.
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- adoxyz 3y ago
  Exactly this. I know Apple didn't invent VR/AR. But they also didn't invent the phone. What they did do though is provide an amazing user experience for the vast majority of people. I've been on the AR/VR hype train for a long time and have had many different headsets over the years. Apple Vision Pro seems like it puts all of them to shame. And if Apple can execute on this, no doubt, it'll become a household staple. And this is Gen 1. Price will come down. Apple has to get the experience right though. And so far it looks promising.
- tedmiston 3y ago
  > The original iPhone cost so much people mocked it. It costs twice as much now... The original iPhone models were $499–599 only WITH a 2-year AT&T contract, so that price was heavily subsidized. The current iPhone 14 range is $799–1099+ for the base configs with no contract, but these are unsubsidized prices. (The base model iPhone SE is only $429 today.) Apples to oranges comparison. Carrier and retail subsidies still exist. It's just that they're no longer the only way to buy an iPhone.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    > The original iPhone models were $499–599 only WITH a 2-year AT&T contract, so that price was heavily subsidized. Untrue. Sure, you bought a phone that was locked to AT&T, but you didn't need a contract, and jailbreaking was a thing quickly.... Source: ya, I bought the first one before moving to China, paid $499 for it, and unlocked it before I left the shopping mall (University Village in Seattle) I was at.
    - tedmiston 3y ago
      > Untrue. Sure, you bought a phone that was locked to AT&T, but you didn't need a contract, and jailbreaking... I bought the first iPhone as well. Not sure why you mention carrier unlocking for international travel or jailbreaking — two things that are completely orthogonal to the subsidized contract terms. I would encourage you to check your memory. Maybe you paid a higher price to not have a subsidized contract, or maybe you broke your contract, etc etc; in any case, the contract being 2 years is very well documented: > The iPhone was released in the United States on June 29, 2007 at the price of $499 for the 4 GB model and $599 for the 8 GB model, both requiring a 2-year contract.[17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation) https://www.macworld.com/article/183052/liveupdate-15.html https://www.macworld.com/article/183052/liveupdate-15.html > The original iPhone reached the market on June 29, 2007. In the U.S. it was priced at $499 and $599, for 4GB and 8GB models, respectively, along with a two-year contract with AT&T. https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/06/29/the-story-of-the-original-iphone-that-nobody-thought-was-possible https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/06/29/the-story-of-the-... > iPhone requires a new two-year AT&T service plan. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2007/06/26Apple-and-AT-T-Announce-iTunes-Activation-and-Sync-for-iPhone/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2007/06/26Apple-and-AT-T-Anno...
- WillPostForFood 3y ago
  The original iPhone cost so much people mocked it Some did criticize the launch price, $499(8GB)/$599(8GB), even though it was right in line with the other smartphones of the day (e.g., Treo). But Apple discontinued the 4GB, and lowered the 8GB price by $200 to $399 just two months after launch. At that point it was not mocked, and that price really helped drive it into the mainstream. I'd say Vision needs that level of price slash to even be niche successful.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    That price was subsidised. Actual price (unlocked, on ebay, etc) was around $1200.
    - WillPostForFood 3y ago
      There was no actual unlocked price for the first iphone because there was no official unlocked phone, and only way to buy one was through AT&T. A $1200 on ebay is paying for the phone + hype + an unlock hack. The first unsubsidized, direct sale iPhone from Apple was the 3g, and the 8GB version was only $499.
      - dzhiurgis 3y ago
        This says it 3G was $599, which still feels cheap now. Biggest jump was went it went from 8 to X, whopping $300 jump. https://venturebeat.com/mobile/iphone-prices-from-the-original-to-iphone-x/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/iphone-prices-from-the-origin...
- bluejekyll 3y ago
  I’m not mocking it, I’m pointing out that the price tag is high-enough that there might be a very slow uptick in adoption. Slow enough, that they don’t have enough people trying it and creating a newish market segment. Maybe I’m wrong, we’ll see.
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_ea1k 3y ago
This is Apple. They sell $1500 laptops with 8GB of RAM and 512GB of storage. $3,500 is cheap in Apple $$s.
- jjj123 3y ago
  As someone knee-deep in the Apple ecosystem, no, $3,500 is not cheap. $3,500 is a top of the line MacBook Pro.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    That's fine, but this is not a MacBook Pro.
JohnFen 3y ago
> design look amazing. I'm no Apple hater or VR hater, but am I the only one who thinks that the design of this thing looks utterly ridiculous? It's a scuba mask. At best, it's looks marginally less ridiculous than its competitors (which might be all that it needs to be), but I don't see anything about it that looks amazing.
berberous 3y ago
Sure, $3,500 is too steep for this to be a mass market hit with v1. But I think it's a fairly reasonable price to get the ball rolling, and they will see a fair number of early adopter consumers (much more than Google Glass or Magic Leap, less than Oculus). I remember admiring flat screen TVs in the early 2000s when they cost like $10k: https://www.applianceretailer.com.au/eeqycmzusg/ https://www.applianceretailer.com.au/eeqycmzusg/ I also used to have this SGI 1600SW monitor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW. 1600 x 1024 17", $2,500 (equivalent to $4,490 in 2022)...

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basisword 3y ago

The original iPhone cost so much people mocked it. It costs twice as much now and people buy them for their 8 year olds. If the device provides enough utility (and I imagine down the line these will replace laptops, tablets and TV’s for a lot of people), the price won’t matter.

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adoxyz 3y ago
Exactly this. I know Apple didn't invent VR/AR. But they also didn't invent the phone. What they did do though is provide an amazing user experience for the vast majority of people. I've been on the AR/VR hype train for a long time and have had many different headsets over the years. Apple Vision Pro seems like it puts all of them to shame. And if Apple can execute on this, no doubt, it'll become a household staple. And this is Gen 1. Price will come down. Apple has to get the experience right though. And so far it looks promising.
tedmiston 3y ago
> The original iPhone cost so much people mocked it. It costs twice as much now... The original iPhone models were $499–599 only WITH a 2-year AT&T contract, so that price was heavily subsidized. The current iPhone 14 range is $799–1099+ for the base configs with no contract, but these are unsubsidized prices. (The base model iPhone SE is only $429 today.) Apples to oranges comparison. Carrier and retail subsidies still exist. It's just that they're no longer the only way to buy an iPhone.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  > The original iPhone models were $499–599 only WITH a 2-year AT&T contract, so that price was heavily subsidized. Untrue. Sure, you bought a phone that was locked to AT&T, but you didn't need a contract, and jailbreaking was a thing quickly.... Source: ya, I bought the first one before moving to China, paid $499 for it, and unlocked it before I left the shopping mall (University Village in Seattle) I was at.
  - tedmiston 3y ago
    > Untrue. Sure, you bought a phone that was locked to AT&T, but you didn't need a contract, and jailbreaking... I bought the first iPhone as well. Not sure why you mention carrier unlocking for international travel or jailbreaking — two things that are completely orthogonal to the subsidized contract terms. I would encourage you to check your memory. Maybe you paid a higher price to not have a subsidized contract, or maybe you broke your contract, etc etc; in any case, the contract being 2 years is very well documented: > The iPhone was released in the United States on June 29, 2007 at the price of $499 for the 4 GB model and $599 for the 8 GB model, both requiring a 2-year contract.[17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(1st_generation) https://www.macworld.com/article/183052/liveupdate-15.html https://www.macworld.com/article/183052/liveupdate-15.html > The original iPhone reached the market on June 29, 2007. In the U.S. it was priced at $499 and $599, for 4GB and 8GB models, respectively, along with a two-year contract with AT&T. https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/06/29/the-story-of-the-original-iphone-that-nobody-thought-was-possible https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/06/29/the-story-of-the-... > iPhone requires a new two-year AT&T service plan. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2007/06/26Apple-and-AT-T-Announce-iTunes-Activation-and-Sync-for-iPhone/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2007/06/26Apple-and-AT-T-Anno...
WillPostForFood 3y ago
The original iPhone cost so much people mocked it Some did criticize the launch price, $499(8GB)/$599(8GB), even though it was right in line with the other smartphones of the day (e.g., Treo). But Apple discontinued the 4GB, and lowered the 8GB price by $200 to $399 just two months after launch. At that point it was not mocked, and that price really helped drive it into the mainstream. I'd say Vision needs that level of price slash to even be niche successful.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  That price was subsidised. Actual price (unlocked, on ebay, etc) was around $1200.
  - WillPostForFood 3y ago
    There was no actual unlocked price for the first iphone because there was no official unlocked phone, and only way to buy one was through AT&T. A $1200 on ebay is paying for the phone + hype + an unlock hack. The first unsubsidized, direct sale iPhone from Apple was the 3g, and the 8GB version was only $499.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      This says it 3G was $599, which still feels cheap now. Biggest jump was went it went from 8 to X, whopping $300 jump. https://venturebeat.com/mobile/iphone-prices-from-the-original-to-iphone-x/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/iphone-prices-from-the-origin...
bluejekyll 3y ago
I’m not mocking it, I’m pointing out that the price tag is high-enough that there might be a very slow uptick in adoption. Slow enough, that they don’t have enough people trying it and creating a newish market segment. Maybe I’m wrong, we’ll see.

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_ea1k 3y ago

This is Apple. They sell $1500 laptops with 8GB of RAM and 512GB of storage. $3,500 is cheap in Apple $$s.

jjj123 3y ago
As someone knee-deep in the Apple ecosystem, no, $3,500 is not cheap. $3,500 is a top of the line MacBook Pro.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  That's fine, but this is not a MacBook Pro.

JohnFen 3y ago

> design look amazing. I'm no Apple hater or VR hater, but am I the only one who thinks that the design of this thing looks utterly ridiculous? It's a scuba mask. At best, it's looks marginally less ridiculous than its competitors (which might be all that it needs to be), but I don't see anything about it that looks amazing.

berberous 3y ago

Sure, $3,500 is too steep for this to be a mass market hit with v1. But I think it's a fairly reasonable price to get the ball rolling, and they will see a fair number of early adopter consumers (much more than Google Glass or Magic Leap, less than Oculus). I remember admiring flat screen TVs in the early 2000s when they cost like $10k: https://www.applianceretailer.com.au/eeqycmzusg/ https://www.applianceretailer.com.au/eeqycmzusg/ I also used to have this SGI 1600SW monitor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW. 1600 x 1024 17", $2,500 (equivalent to $4,490 in 2022)...