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3,500 seems SO worth it if this can be used to comfortably replace external displays for long periods of time. If I don't need external monitors, I don't need

3,500 seems SO worth it if this can be used to comfortably replace external displays for long periods of time. If I don't need external monitors, I don't need my large desk, and I don't need my home office, which adds like 100k to the price of any home I'd consider. I'd just work from a bedroom, a closet, or my deck if I had this. It would be amazing if I could use this to do more work outside, while benefitting from a larger screen without glare, even though "outside" might be watered down a bit. It would be excellent for nomading or work/entertainment from a hotel room. This could be a great way to regain some privacy and focus in an open office environment, plus be able to personalize your setup. A digital beach backdrop is better than seeing my coworker scratch his crusty scalp 2 feet in front of me. The benefits for air travel are obvious. People already swaddle themselves with large noise cancelling headphones and zany neck pillows. I don't think this would be weird plane at all. I'd kill for an immersive 4k display over craning at my phone or relying on flaky seatback entertainment.

Terretta 3y ago
> If I don't need external monitors, I don't need my large desk, and I don't need my home office, which adds like 100k to the price of any home I'd consider. First thing my SO mentioned on seeing this was "wow, we can try more kinds of places to stay when we travel". Lots of VRBO / AirBnB can't work for remote work. This expands the inventory of WR options for less than the price difference of a week's stay.
- fomine3 3y ago
  Wow, it's a great excuse to buy this expensive one
goolz 3y ago
Thank you for this! While yes, it is expensive and I do think a bit wild I would pay serious, serious money to migrate away from my home office. Ever since I began remote work I have been cooking up ways to code outside but the glare alone puts me off from it. I am a solo kind of person who enjoys media a ton and am already a huge fan of Apple’s displays. I guess with all the naysayers here it makes me happy to see someone who understands the potential. This is awesome, and the first VR set I have wanted to purchase. The price is steep and I may even wait a generation. But if I had to bet, this will end up absurdly successful similar to all of their other recent home runs.
paxys 3y ago
What kind of work are you going to do on this without a keyboard, mouse, and a laptop nearby for tethering? And if all those are still a requirement then you're back to being stuck on your desk.
- goolz 3y ago
  Sure, for now perhaps. Do you really think Apple will not add those features?
- sweetjuly 3y ago
  Stuck at a desk, sure, but as it stands I need a pretty big desk to hold my ultrawide monitor while still having enough room to hold regular physical things like notebooks, test hardware, and other tools. Being able to ditch the monitor and work with just a small 13" laptop would make small desks more practical.
- nomel 3y ago
  As they demonstrated, Bluetooth accessories like a keyboard and mouse can be used. I basically did this, during the pandemic, with my Quest 2, a TV tray, and my MacBook sitting on the floor, next to me. I used my closet.
  - ncr100 3y ago
    Making digital music - all the guitars and keyboard / sequencer machine stuff.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  It supports wireless keyboard and a trackpad. For sure mouse is not a problem.
- dev_tty01 3y ago
  No tethering required (It is an M2 based computer) and it works with bluetooth keyboard and mouse. So, to answer your question, you will do whatever kinds of work you do today.
o_m 3y ago
I think I'll skip the first generation and wait for the resolution to become better. 4k is good for a 22" external monitor, but having 4k cover your field of vision will make have to move your eyes a lot for the text to look good.
- ricardobeat 3y ago
  It's nearly 5k per eye. The Reverb G2 is only 2160x2160, a bit over 1/3rd of that pixel density and is already quite usable for coding, so I expect the Vision Pro to be well beyond "good enough" territory.
- Hippocrates 3y ago
  Yeah I am curious to see how well this works in practice. Resolution and screen size is a delicate balance, and the face-mounted aspect of this throws conventional wisdom of what works well out the window.
  - o_m 3y ago
    Yeah, I'm definitely going to try it out in an Apple store but I don't have high hopes for anything text related. I'm also skeptical to the 12ms (83fps) refresh rate.
rimeice 3y ago
> use this to do more work outside Can’t wait for the Apple Vision Pro suntan.
- js2 3y ago
  It won't look too different from this: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ski+goggle+tan&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ski+goggle+tan&iar=images&iax=imag...
  - ShakataGaNai 3y ago
    Or https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdehAZ_AsbZ4a3-hI8rhBrZ2d1CatQ:1686027003108&q=sun+glasses+tan&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_-ueE7K3_AhUDI0QIHfEnBqQQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=1440&bih=825&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdehAZ_AsbZ4a3-hI8rh... It would be a little silly, but lets be honest, you probably would be wearing at hat or something. Probably under an umbrella or other shade. I doubt anyone wants to sit in direct summer sun outside with this on. But I've totally be on my patio in the morning with an umbrella up trying to work on my MBA. The screen just doesn't get bright enough to be easy to work with. I'd totally do the AVP if they worked brighter environments.
1letterunixname 3y ago
Quest Pro does the exact same thing for 1/3 the price. It has all sorts of enterprise features and Microsoft is on-board with it.
- cascades42 3y ago
  I returned my Quest Pro due to annoying and frequent software bugs. It was a great device when it worked, although I'd prefer a slightly higher resolution.
ndesaulniers 3y ago
Hell you don't even have to get out of bed! Just lay there all day with this thing on your face and atrophy like in Surrogates.
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- elcritch 3y ago
  Ah the dream :P
lph 3y ago
> 3,500 seems SO worth it if this can be used to comfortably replace external displays Agreed, but that's a huge IF. The ergonomics problems with VR headsets are well documented - has Apple really managed to transcend them? I'm not gambling $3500 for a thing that probably ends up sitting in a drawer because it gives me neck cramps or eye strain or motion sickness. If Apple wants to drive adoption they need to lower that risk. A way to have a trial period or a one-week rental would help.
- lurker919 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure they would have had extensive trials for comfort and neck strain already.
  - pnpnp 3y ago
    I’m not sure why you got downvoted. Apple is a trillion dollar company. They certainly have looked into this, and many of the leaks supported this theory.
  - nmfisher 3y ago
    This is the same company that told people they were holding their iPhones wrong because the antenna was dropping out during calls. I'd prefer to try it myself rather than just take their word for it.
makeitdouble 3y ago
4~5K per eye feels like a lot, and it's impressive VR technology wise. But mapping a monitor at realistic size (let's say half of the field of view) at this resolution means we're below 2K to display text/images. We've lived with 2K monitors for decades, so that sure could be workable, but the same way it's a clash to move from a Retina screen to an old 1080p monitor, I think it will clash to move from a current MacBook to this headset as a work monitor. For games that's not an issue of course, but 3500 for a gaming device makes the calculation pretty different.
- allset_ 3y ago
  > We've lived with 2K monitors for decades This is a bit disingenuous. The 2013 MacBook Pro (a single decade ago) was the first mainstream device with a resolution above 1080p and with scaling people effectively still had a 1440x900 screen anyway. 1280x800 was common at the time for 13" devices. High DPI has really only taken off in the last 5 years. edit: fixed info regarding scaling
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    Yes and no. That MacBook was the first device to offer High DPI in that package (I wouldn't be surprised if there was some obscure Sony laptop on par with that, but doesn't matter). But weirdly enough CRT at that time had decent resolution for the distance they were supposed to be viewed at. I remember Iiyama having 1600+ px screens for sub 20" CRTs, at expensive but manageable prices (something around 500+?) We'd accept many compromizes for laptops anyway, so a lower resolution/worst refresh rate to have LCD panels instead was part of the package.
prawn 3y ago
Depth of desks could go from 2-3' to 1'. Offices could fit more desks. But I think we'll see people using these with virtual displays, and then co-workers' personas bleeding in from the periphery. Companies will go from requiring in-office workers to being OK with staff WFH if they have a device like this. $3500 is going to be cheap when compared with office space per person.
lannisterstark 3y ago
> I don't need my large desk, and I don't need my home office Idk man, I'd always prefer having a dedicated work space. I even have a separate 'tinkering' space in my garage purely so I have a frame of mind of 'what' I am working on.

Terretta 3y ago

> If I don't need external monitors, I don't need my large desk, and I don't need my home office, which adds like 100k to the price of any home I'd consider. First thing my SO mentioned on seeing this was "wow, we can try more kinds of places to stay when we travel". Lots of VRBO / AirBnB can't work for remote work. This expands the inventory of WR options for less than the price difference of a week's stay.

fomine3 3y ago
Wow, it's a great excuse to buy this expensive one

goolz 3y ago

Thank you for this! While yes, it is expensive and I do think a bit wild I would pay serious, serious money to migrate away from my home office. Ever since I began remote work I have been cooking up ways to code outside but the glare alone puts me off from it. I am a solo kind of person who enjoys media a ton and am already a huge fan of Apple’s displays. I guess with all the naysayers here it makes me happy to see someone who understands the potential. This is awesome, and the first VR set I have wanted to purchase. The price is steep and I may even wait a generation. But if I had to bet, this will end up absurdly successful similar to all of their other recent home runs.

paxys 3y ago

What kind of work are you going to do on this without a keyboard, mouse, and a laptop nearby for tethering? And if all those are still a requirement then you're back to being stuck on your desk.

goolz 3y ago
Sure, for now perhaps. Do you really think Apple will not add those features?
sweetjuly 3y ago
Stuck at a desk, sure, but as it stands I need a pretty big desk to hold my ultrawide monitor while still having enough room to hold regular physical things like notebooks, test hardware, and other tools. Being able to ditch the monitor and work with just a small 13" laptop would make small desks more practical.
nomel 3y ago
As they demonstrated, Bluetooth accessories like a keyboard and mouse can be used. I basically did this, during the pandemic, with my Quest 2, a TV tray, and my MacBook sitting on the floor, next to me. I used my closet.
- ncr100 3y ago
  Making digital music - all the guitars and keyboard / sequencer machine stuff.
rad_gruchalski 3y ago
It supports wireless keyboard and a trackpad. For sure mouse is not a problem.
dev_tty01 3y ago
No tethering required (It is an M2 based computer) and it works with bluetooth keyboard and mouse. So, to answer your question, you will do whatever kinds of work you do today.

o_m 3y ago

I think I'll skip the first generation and wait for the resolution to become better. 4k is good for a 22" external monitor, but having 4k cover your field of vision will make have to move your eyes a lot for the text to look good.

ricardobeat 3y ago
It's nearly 5k per eye. The Reverb G2 is only 2160x2160, a bit over 1/3rd of that pixel density and is already quite usable for coding, so I expect the Vision Pro to be well beyond "good enough" territory.
Hippocrates 3y ago
Yeah I am curious to see how well this works in practice. Resolution and screen size is a delicate balance, and the face-mounted aspect of this throws conventional wisdom of what works well out the window.
- o_m 3y ago
  Yeah, I'm definitely going to try it out in an Apple store but I don't have high hopes for anything text related. I'm also skeptical to the 12ms (83fps) refresh rate.

rimeice 3y ago

> use this to do more work outside Can’t wait for the Apple Vision Pro suntan.

js2 3y ago
It won't look too different from this: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ski+goggle+tan&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ski+goggle+tan&iar=images&iax=imag...
- ShakataGaNai 3y ago
  Or https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdehAZ_AsbZ4a3-hI8rhBrZ2d1CatQ:1686027003108&q=sun+glasses+tan&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_-ueE7K3_AhUDI0QIHfEnBqQQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=1440&bih=825&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdehAZ_AsbZ4a3-hI8rh... It would be a little silly, but lets be honest, you probably would be wearing at hat or something. Probably under an umbrella or other shade. I doubt anyone wants to sit in direct summer sun outside with this on. But I've totally be on my patio in the morning with an umbrella up trying to work on my MBA. The screen just doesn't get bright enough to be easy to work with. I'd totally do the AVP if they worked brighter environments.

1letterunixname 3y ago

Quest Pro does the exact same thing for 1/3 the price. It has all sorts of enterprise features and Microsoft is on-board with it.

cascades42 3y ago
I returned my Quest Pro due to annoying and frequent software bugs. It was a great device when it worked, although I'd prefer a slightly higher resolution.

ndesaulniers 3y ago

Hell you don't even have to get out of bed! Just lay there all day with this thing on your face and atrophy like in Surrogates.

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elcritch 3y ago
Ah the dream :P

lph 3y ago

> 3,500 seems SO worth it if this can be used to comfortably replace external displays Agreed, but that's a huge IF. The ergonomics problems with VR headsets are well documented - has Apple really managed to transcend them? I'm not gambling $3500 for a thing that probably ends up sitting in a drawer because it gives me neck cramps or eye strain or motion sickness. If Apple wants to drive adoption they need to lower that risk. A way to have a trial period or a one-week rental would help.

lurker919 3y ago
I'm pretty sure they would have had extensive trials for comfort and neck strain already.
- pnpnp 3y ago
  I’m not sure why you got downvoted. Apple is a trillion dollar company. They certainly have looked into this, and many of the leaks supported this theory.
- nmfisher 3y ago
  This is the same company that told people they were holding their iPhones wrong because the antenna was dropping out during calls. I'd prefer to try it myself rather than just take their word for it.

makeitdouble 3y ago

4~5K per eye feels like a lot, and it's impressive VR technology wise. But mapping a monitor at realistic size (let's say half of the field of view) at this resolution means we're below 2K to display text/images. We've lived with 2K monitors for decades, so that sure could be workable, but the same way it's a clash to move from a Retina screen to an old 1080p monitor, I think it will clash to move from a current MacBook to this headset as a work monitor. For games that's not an issue of course, but 3500 for a gaming device makes the calculation pretty different.

allset_ 3y ago
> We've lived with 2K monitors for decades This is a bit disingenuous. The 2013 MacBook Pro (a single decade ago) was the first mainstream device with a resolution above 1080p and with scaling people effectively still had a 1440x900 screen anyway. 1280x800 was common at the time for 13" devices. High DPI has really only taken off in the last 5 years. edit: fixed info regarding scaling
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  Yes and no. That MacBook was the first device to offer High DPI in that package (I wouldn't be surprised if there was some obscure Sony laptop on par with that, but doesn't matter). But weirdly enough CRT at that time had decent resolution for the distance they were supposed to be viewed at. I remember Iiyama having 1600+ px screens for sub 20" CRTs, at expensive but manageable prices (something around 500+?) We'd accept many compromizes for laptops anyway, so a lower resolution/worst refresh rate to have LCD panels instead was part of the package.

prawn 3y ago

Depth of desks could go from 2-3' to 1'. Offices could fit more desks. But I think we'll see people using these with virtual displays, and then co-workers' personas bleeding in from the periphery. Companies will go from requiring in-office workers to being OK with staff WFH if they have a device like this. $3500 is going to be cheap when compared with office space per person.

lannisterstark 3y ago

> I don't need my large desk, and I don't need my home office Idk man, I'd always prefer having a dedicated work space. I even have a separate 'tinkering' space in my garage purely so I have a frame of mind of 'what' I am working on.