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As someone who travels for work, this is well worth 3500. To wear these on flights, in small hotel rooms, etc. is definitely a game changer. I have no use for v
by motoxpro 3y ago
As someone who travels for work, this is well worth 3500. To wear these on flights, in small hotel rooms, etc. is definitely a game changer. I have no use for video games so the Quest stuff with the controllers never made sense.
I think people that complain about the price are anchoring on the Quest price, same as people who anchored on MP3 player prices when the iPod came out at 10x the price. Even if the Quest was $100 or $50, I wouldn't buy it because its just not useful.
For sure I am an early adopter on this one, but as others have said, this is Gen 1. It will get cheaper, faster, smaller, better, last longer, have less bugs, etc. This is the way technology works. It makes progress.
So many unfortunate maximalist (bigger than the iPhone moment) or doomer (this is pointless and always will be) takes here. I'm glad companies still take swings in the face of the way people respond here.
EDIT: I don't see these as "metaverse" glasses or VR as much as a $3500 display which framed in that way is completely reasonable, it's $1000 cheaper than this https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr
- kllrnohj 3y ago> As someone who travels for work, this is well worth 3500. To wear these on flights, in small hotel rooms, etc. is definitely a game changer. I have no use for video games so the Quest stuff with the controllers never made sense. Eh? Things like watching videos on a flight were tried with Samsung Gear VR or Google Day Dream. It flopped. Want a virtual office on a flight? Well fire up Virtual Desktop on an Occulus today and you've got exactly that - no controller needed. On a flight something like Occulus' passthrough mode looks perfectly adequate - after all, the whole point in that scenario is to isolate not to socialize. So the plain/train/bus usage seems questionable, and do you really want to travel with something that bulky?
- motoxpro 3y agoThis is not the same experience https://youtu.be/74KInxQ8suI?t=208 https://youtu.be/74KInxQ8suI?t=208 The low res, jerkiness, having to use controllers, etc. wether or not the apple experience is worth it is up to the person. I don't see these as "metaverse" glasses or VR/AR as much as a $3500 display.
- crakhamster01 3y agoFWIW, that's a 4 year old video. MKBHD's video of the quest pro: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jUIE2l_9ig8 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jUIE2l_9ig8
- ImHereToVote 3y agoBut but but. Tim said that “Today marks the beginning of a new era for computing,”
- ncr100 3y ago"'Computing' is a trademarked word owned by Apple Computer Inc, Cuptertino California"
- frakkingcylons 3y agoGearVR was a precursor to the Oculus Go, which was quite successful. It showed that lots of people wanted a device to watch media and user retention was pretty good: From Carmack's Oculus Connect 2018 talk: > With Oculus Go, about 80 percent of usage time has been for viewing "media" and only 20 percent for gaming. > Oculus Go and Rift are much "stickier," he says, with users that "come back... week to week and spend a lot of time in it." https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/09/carmack-oculus-quests-power-is-comparable-to-xbox-360-or-ps3/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/09/carmack-oculus-quests...
- denlekke 3y agowhat's the virtual desktop on a plane situation you're describing ? i thought it needed airlink to a local computer or a really fast internet connection to a remote computer but maybe i'm not up to date if the vision pro gives me a laptop-mac experience in vr without needing a separate computer with me, that's a pretty compelling use case to me
- ncr100 3y agoYou should be able to use the headset alone as a "ipad pro" experience, computing power. And you should be able to have your separate computer, with the lid closed, and it still be running, projecting its desktop inside the headset. (based upon today's videos)
- denlekke 3y agogotcha thanks, i didn't catch all of the presentation and only now getting around to reading the recaps will be interesting to see what's possible in their os for it vs macos or ios
- kllrnohj 3y agoThe Vision Pro has 2 hours of battery life. You're not exactly going to replace your laptop with it.
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- denlekke 3y agogood point it's got a custom connector to the headset but hoping that it'll be possible to use a bigger battery pack or seat power outlets/usb will provide enough to keep it going longer than 2 hours
- parentheses 3y agoWhat you say is technically true but you still need the controllers for setup and that is quite annoying if you travel a lot. I read OPs level of travel as > 8 hours in air per week and > 3 nights in hotel per week. At that level this is an easy buy.
- mahathu 3y agoYou're still gonna have to type on something.
- motoxpro 3y agoA keyboard fits on the tray a lot easier than a laptop if youve never tried it.
- rcarr 3y agoMight want to check out the Tap XR. https://www.tapwithus.com/product/tap-xr/ https://www.tapwithus.com/product/tap-xr/
- varenc 3y agoFrom the video, you can turn the headset into an external display for your Mac[0]. This is critical since I'm doubtful I'd be able to get much work down in visionOS alone. The use case I imagine is that you still use your laptop keyboard and trackpad like normal, but now you just have a mirrored display floating above it in whatever the ideal size/position is for you. For this to work of course you have to still be able to see your laptop. But if the marketing is to be believed it'll do that quite well. ([0]: Apple already supports turning an iPad into an external Mac display and amazingly it works quite well. It sets up a direct device-to-device wireless link (awdl/llw) and there's no noticeably latency. I assume the headset will take a similar approach)
- SkyPuncher 3y agoEither bring a keyboard (like a low-profile mechanical keyboard) or fold your laptop screen down half-way and dim the screen.
- buildbuildbuild 3y agoThis is also now the most private display. You can work in public with no risk of leaks.
- moduspol 3y agoIt'll probably work well until you start making the "boob honking" gesture with your hands. Then we'll be able to tell.
- ncr100 3y agoCough, Senator Al Franken, cough.
- motoxpro 3y agoTotally. Meta framed any VR device as a metaverse device, which I have no desire to ever participate in. I just want to use "VR" the same way I use my laptop.
- zakki 3y agoWith a big IF. If leak is interpreted as someone recording our screen from our back. What about someone stealing it? Are we aware with our surrounding while using it?
- Version467 3y agoThe presentation talks exentsively about that. Default mode is complete passthrough and you can dynamically change how much of your surroundings you want to see. Also, it scans your eyes for identification. Someone stealing your device probably won't bring them at all closer to your data.
- sdn90 3y agoSame use case for me. Laptops have terrible ergonomics it’s near impossible to get proper posture while traveling. - Laptop stands help but introduce a new set of problems around the distance of the screen and keyboard height - Hard to find adjustable office chairs anywhere - If you’re in a city where you’re walking for hours a day, carrying a larger laptop gets tiring
- hollerith 3y agoSounds like you know that this new product weighs less than a large laptop.
- thfuran 3y agoThe poor ergonomics of laptops are unrelated to their weight.
- fomine3 3y agoQuest Pro weights 722g while MacBook Air 15 weights 1.5kg. How can you expect it's twice heavier than Quest? It's completely unacceptable for most people's head.
- parentheses 3y agoIt's a logical assumption and the battery is not head mounted.
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- graypegg 3y agoReally? On flights? That struck me as a… weird use case I could never be confident enough to do. Strapping something to your face, noise cancelling headphones in, you’ve become basically unapproachable for anyone around you. Is someone that needs to get past you going to awkwardly tap you on the shoulder and you either creepily turn over to them with your projected eyes staring back, or watch in awkward silence as you disentangle the headset + AirPod max combo. I hope you don’t get the aisle seat!
- kylehotchkiss 3y ago> you’ve become basically unapproachable for anyone around you Oh! you're not the captive audience of a strangers unwanted small talk then? That's been an undesirable part of traveling solo for a lot of people. The shoulder tap will still work fine if you need to get past somebody to stand up.
- graypegg 3y agoSo I guess yeah small talk is normally bad and uninteresting, but essentially putting a blind fold on? People are that selective about who they’ll even consider socializing with? To be fair I’m not regularly on planes/trains so maybe I’m just not annoyed enough by it.
- wingerlang 3y ago> but essentially putting a blind fold on? Literal blindfolds are standard travel gadgets though
- theshrike79 3y agoNot everyone wants to "socialise" with random people. I have a set amount of hours I can be social every day, I prefer to use those towards the people I care about. Not someone who's bored on a flight and wants to chat.
- varenc 3y agoThe audio isn't noise cancelling. The speakers are on the strap right by your ears so you'll still hear everything else around you. If anything my concern on flights would be that someone next to me can hear my audio, not that I can't hear them. (but maybe you can also use AirPods) You can also adjust your "immersion level". As in, have the screen floating in front of you and still see the space around you, or have reality totally blanked out. Seems like at a low immersion level you'd have no problem turning to address someone trying to get your attention. The worst part might be how ridiculous you look talking to and addressing someone normally while wearing these. (though perhaps like the AirPods, the perception of it being a goofy look will fade with time)
- zmmmmm 3y agoI agree the simple monitor replacement use case is probably one of the best in terms of real world usefulness. But it's also the one that is most open to competition because it has no ecosystem link. There are already half a dozen alternatives at $400-$1k type range that give you virtual monitors. eg: the XReal Air [0]. It's interesting that even while they are generating some interest, it doesn't seem to me that AR glasses as monitors on their own are taking off yet in a mainstream way. So it's going to be a question of how much more it can add to that or do better than that. Is just branding it Apple enough? Maybe. But I feel like it needs at least something else than purely being a monitor to compete with the alternatives. [0] https://xreal.com/air/ https://xreal.com/air/
- notJim 3y agoResolution information is conspicuously absent from this page.
- dev_tty01 3y agoIt's a display and a computer.
- Demmme 3y agoIt's super big. Much bigger than a thin laptop. And you need your laptop also because you can't work in it the whole day. Gz now you have to travel with two laptops each 3k expensive and you look totally funny with it in anything public.
- rldjbpin 3y agofeel free to be optimistic about this and help the progress by being an early adopter. although do not discount the skepticism made through objective observations. apple has tried ar for better part of a decade with limited success. ar/vr/mixed-reality headsets have come a long way but the realities of current technologies remain. on the other hand, we've had established music players before ipod, people using internet-connected phones before the iphone. in retrospect, google glasses wasn't a bad form factor all along than these ski googles!
- ragazzina 3y ago> As someone who travels for work, this is well worth 3500. On trains you can plug it in, but how can it be used for air travel when the external battery lasts up to 2 hours?
- whatarethembits 3y agoThrow in a USB C power bank in your backpack? Also, most seats (even economy) tends to have a usb outlet these days.
- Yajirobe 3y agoNo power banks on plane
- whatarethembits 3y agoIn which part of the world? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of powerbanks not being allowed in carry on luggage. I travel with them all the time.
- whiddershins 3y agoYou plug it in to the outlet in your business class seat.
- motoxpro 3y agoMost economy long haul flights have power outlets. I do at least 20 ten hour flights a year and always sit in economy so for me, the battery power isn’t an issue.