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"The kids are playing, better record a spacial moment" was one of the most dystopic things I've seen in a long time. Same with the ad at the end, with the fathe

• shippintoboston 3y ago
  Agreed for some reason I had a really repulsive reaction to seeing that as well. Feels like this is the next step in people turning more inward. A screen strapped to our face at all times.
  • wtetzner 3y ago
    If they can get it into a pair of glasses, it might help a lot. Yes, the screen will be there all the time, but people won't be staring down at their phones all the time either.
    • ElongatedMusket 3y ago
      Oh good, they'll be staring directly at/through me from across the room instead. Can't wait!
  • crack__fox 3y ago
    Imagine you realise that you haven't taken off your vision for a few months. You lift them up and you're just all alone with sores on your face, in your piss-soaked chair in your isolated flat in your decaying suburb of your polluted city. think I'll just put them back on...
    • lyu07282 3y ago
      You probably also don't want to take them off if everyone around you is going to wear one, not sure if AR is the right bet though for our dystopia. We don't want to augment the tent we live in the billionaire city, we want to replace the cardboard box we live in with a mansion to ease our embarrassment at not yet being a billionaire. Future consumer electronics needs to focus on easing the transition of hundreds of millions of people in the western world into poverty.
• abracadaniel 3y ago
  I hope we’ll see Neal Stephenson’s term Gargoyle come into use as wearable computing becomes more common
  • corysama 3y ago
    Stephenson’s joke with the Gargoyles is that the Protagonist looked down on them throughout the story, but eventually became one.
    • gargoyleisyou 3y ago
      Every single person on HN, tapped into the to-link-compressed information feeds from every tech website currently live, literally is a gargoyle.
      • 4ggr0 3y ago
        damn you really created a new account just to roast the whole of HN. Not bad.
• sekai 3y ago
  "Don't blow the candles yet! I need to grab my VISION PRO"
  • Longhanks 3y ago
    To be fair, that is already the case with "I need to grab my phone", which is equally wrong, imho. But a lot of people don’t see it that way.
    • cloverich 3y ago
      This is where there's a notable disparity in this new product. "I need to grab my phone" behavior isn't any different than what people did with cameras for decades before that. The thing that changed is the technology became much more available, pervasive, and convenient. The use cases were immediately apparent and unlike this device, nobody was scratching their head around how they might actually use it in practice.
    • deleted 3y ago
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    • redeux 3y ago
      Would it be equally wrong if they said "camera" instead?
    • rcarr 3y ago
      Really, what we need is a little 360 spatial drone that records important events like birthdays and what not and then you can relive them on a device like the Vision Pro. That's the best of both worlds and I think that's where things will head eventually. I think Google or Amazon or someone has made a security camera drone that flies around your house so it can't be far off.
      • bemmu 3y ago
        Interesting, eliminate the drone part and that actually makes sense. Have a few very high resolution cameras at a distance, and you could NeRF a similar view unobtrusively.
• tantalor 3y ago
  Minority Report (2002) https://youtu.be/arTIRgdEb1g?t=80 https://youtu.be/arTIRgdEb1g?t=80
• adamrezich 3y ago
  we just finished conditioning everyone to cover the bottom half of their face—suggesting now that one keep the top half of their face covered, around the home, around their children, is nothing short of horrifying, both in terms of brazen anti-human dystopia, but more importantly, in terms of childhood development. if this, or something like it, takes off in the "iPhone" way that many here predict, future generations are going to be so completely fucked from the perspective of anything resembling traditional social development—which, of course, the iPhone, by way of the iPad, has already fucked up pretty significantly!
  • sandoze 3y ago
    I’ve read a lot of comments but yours is by far the winner. I bet you’re a blast at Thanksgiving dinners and family gatherings.
    • adamrezich 3y ago
      face-detection is fundamentally important to interpersonal interaction in the baseline human experience (are you aware of the phenomenon of pareidolia?)—fuck with it at your own peril, both for children learning how to read expressions by observing adults, but also, for adults interacting with virtual "AI" simulacra, instead of real human faces! ignoring these basic observations is naïve as hell, regardless of Thanksgiving dinner conversation palatability (always a high watermark for intellectual discourse)! thankfully, I don't see any reason to believe this will take off "iPhone-style".
  • the_overseer 3y ago
    Wrong, wrong and wrong again. This looks absolutely great I hope they make a kid size version so everyone can wear one. Anytime a grandpa complains that 'kids these days are fucked' they are demonstrated time and time again that they were wrong. Thousands of years ago people said the same things and they never came true. Have you not learned your lesson yet? In a few years we will laugh at people not wearing these things just like today you are a weirdo if you do not have a smartphone in your pocket. Kids will be just fine. It's the grandpas screaming at the clouds who will not be fine and excluded even more. The train is leaving the station. You either board it or remain in the darkness and cold. Forward, forward always forward. Anybody against progress will be trampled under our feet.
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• dmazin 3y ago
  i think the angle they are going for is that it’s exactly as isolating (airplane, the experience you MOST want to get away from), or un-isolating (being with kids, the experience you LEAST want to get away from), as you want. and it flubbed
• quickthrower2 3y ago
  The neural implant episode of Black Mirror has a much better UX. You can help the mass and micro surveillance effort without the uncomfortable headset and be present with the kids.
• jayd16 3y ago
  Home movies are dystopian to you?
• drewbeck 3y ago
  Very weird, but I can definitely see this becoming something you can capture on your phone eventually (and view on your VisionThing). If these take off then I'll bet money that capturing things for AR/VR on your phone will be a priority for Apple
• w-m 3y ago
  They’ll just slap two cameras spaced an eye distance apart on the back of the next iPhone Pro and bam, you can record your kids with your socially acceptable handheld device. Still won’t need to play with them though.
  • meghan_rain 3y ago
    100% confident this will happen, would bet my life on it
    • nerbert 3y ago
      Bold
    • hbn 3y ago
      The new iPhone's design is pretty much completely leaked in CAD renders and the camera module looks pretty much the same as the past few years. So RIP to you I guess
  • zild3d 3y ago
    fwiw, doesn't have to be eye distance apart just a known distance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_stereo_vision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_stereo_vision
    • qrio2 3y ago
      interesting!
• thewebcount 3y ago
  It was the same thing in the 80s with camcorders. There was a stereotype of the crazy neighbor who followed his kids around with his camcorder recording every second of their lives. Then it was smart phones. Now it's this. People want to take photos and videos of stuff and it's more important to them than looking dorky for a few minutes. I don't like it very much, either, but I understand it, and it's pretty much human nature.
• TehCorwiz 3y ago
  Are you old enough to remember the big VHS video recorders? The shoulder mounted ones? This is minuscule and unobtrusive comparatively. Nothing dystopian about it.
• sample2 3y ago
  I think the issue for me was how "real life" and "digital life" are basically on equal footing when looking through this device. So your kids are now competing with whatever youtube video you are watching and it's harder to look away from the digital distraction. The same is true today when you are watching a video on your phone, but it's way easier to get someone to look away from their phone when it's not life-size, constantly in view, and always on
• asdff 3y ago
  The ads I see on billboards for apple have been getting very dystopian over the years. One was just a humongous iPhone being held in hand, completely blocking the actors face, with the wrist cocked at this very uncomfortably looking angle such that the apple watch face was perfectly squared to the phone. It felt like something out of Black Mirror, like if I moved the phone there would be no face or some sick grin. A far cry from the cute dancing earpod silhouettes.
  • cglong 3y ago
    This ad where she makes the real world disappear always struck me as dystopian. If I'm near a parade, I'd want to absorb that energy, not repel it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVW8-px4Ufw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVW8-px4Ufw
• crazygringo 3y ago
  I'm sure people said the same things when cameras were invented. "The kids are playing, better grab my camera! -- what a dystopic thing to say!" This thing is no bulkier or harder to use than the film cameras I grew up with. They covered the photographer's face too.
• rib3ye 3y ago
  The alternative is me sitting at my desk, with my back to the kids, while I tell them to stop bumping into my chair. Which one seems more engaged with their kid?
  • nazgulsenpai 3y ago
    Neither?
    • makapuf 3y ago
      https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/ae/b3/5faeb317ca198e48d6ba4717a3b86511.png https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/ae/b3/5faeb317ca198e48d6ba...
• cromka 3y ago
  To me the dystopian moment was when they revealed that an AI-generated rendition of one’s face will be presented during video conversations. We were worried already about the photographs taken with phones no longer being real, this brings the issue to a whole new level.
  • ragazzina 3y ago
    What issue? It's like a memoji (actually worse, because the mouth movements will not follow the real mouth).
• speby 3y ago
  You mean like how crowds of people at live music events ALL have their stupid smartphones up recording the same damn recording which they should be paying attention to and absorbing the experience and living in the moment? Forget what people should do, look at what people actually do.
  • valcron1000 3y ago
    > Forget what people should do, look at what people actually do I'm going to borrow that one mate.
  • zakki 3y ago
    >> Forget what people should do, look at what people actually do. This seems not Apple’s way. Steve Jobs once said “People don't know what they want until you show it to them.”
    • MichaelZuo 3y ago
      This is better then thousands of people in a crowd holding up their phones.
    • edmundsauto 3y ago
      I don’t think Steve would have liked the cable to a battery brick. I’m not sure this new device is a good example of the Apple Way.
      • fomine3 3y ago
        I don't know which he like: tethered battery or heavier headset
      • dvngnt_ 3y ago
        maybe if it doubled as an input device
        • kimburgess 3y ago
• r0m4n0 3y ago
  Yea... there were quite a few moments that felt rather cringe, dystopian, and weird at the same time. Honestly the entirety of the screen with your eyes for your viewers is a very interesting choice on Apple's part. I do indeed want one of these and will likely buy it but I would definitely have opted for not having this outward screen functionality. I do not plan on wearing these ski goggles around my wife, kids, coworkers, etc. The fact they are trying to make it interactive for the folks around the person wearing it seems a little comical. That's like putting a screen on the backside of your phone so your kids can see your face while you are scrolling instagram. Wearing the goggles is an individual experience, why try to force everyone in the room into that experience like its going to be an accessory you will wear out and about? Some day we will get to the point where we want the AR users to blend in a little more but we aren't at that point yet. You have a giant pair of goggles with cords hanging from it strapped to your face. Are people really going to be regularly interacting with Apple Vision users while they are in the matrix? I guess if you are on a plane and the flight attendant asks you for your drink, they can see your eyes when you demand your coke... but come on, can't you just take it off to interact with people on the rare occasions? I think it's just every time that you are using this feature, you should probably not be using this feature
  • prawn 3y ago
    Interesting thoughts about EyeSight. I agree that if I were using/wearing this, I would not care about the ability for others to see my eyes and gauge my reaction. This could've been added to a subsequent version of the device. But it could be that testing showed that removing the device in work and home settings to deal with quick interactions was enough of a deterrence to devise a solution? Also, that being able to show the eyes was a huge differentiator from competing products? I wonder if they had a few non-negotiables and this was one. They figured it was on the roadmap, so might as well lock it in from the start.
• tpmoney 3y ago
  While that was an initial reaction for me too, it's also really just a reaction to different tech. Many a "special memory" was captured by dad (or mom) behind an 8mm camera or a camcorder. The entire opening to "The Wonder Years"[1] was designed to capture that "home movie" feel, which would have been conducted by a parent holding something like this[2]. Even into the 90's and 00's it would have been done with a mini-dv camcorder (and later digital), which while smaller was still a bulky device floating around infront of the image recorder's face. It's only with the advent of proper video recording tech in a cell phone that this technology has gotten so small that it's (mostly) unobtrusive and since everyone has one on them all the time, it's not surprising when someone pulls it out and starts recording. And many a larger family event usually has one (or more) family members dedicated to capturing on film / camera anyway, so what difference would it make what tech they were using to do it? If this thing caught on, it would be no different from any of those others, with the two possible exceptions of A) actually being more present for the recorder, as opposed to looking through a view finder wobbling in their hands, it's just whatever they're looking at through this thing already attached to their head. Additionally for child events, they could still be actively involved with both hands (as opposed to one or none with other camera equipment and trying to work through a view finder. B) Being less obtrusive to the rest of the people. Sure, people "should" just enjoy the moment, but I'd rather be at a concert with a few thousand people using these to record their moment than a few thousand people holding their cellphones up trying to record it around everyone else's hands. Another thing to consider are cases where this is used by people who are already professionally recording stuff. Sure, your wedding photographer you probably still want using a real quality camera setup, but would anyone be salty about the photographer's assistant going around and capturing 3d video and pictures of your wedding with this thing? I doubt it. [1]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0bK-vUlw6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0bK-vUlw6M [2]:http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Minolta_Autopak-8_D6 http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Minolta_Autopak-8_D6
  • albert_e 3y ago
    Holding a gadget is slightly different than having a HMD mounted on your face. It is different for the operator, and it is different for thoe standing around and participating. Getting used to the HMD might be possible but would be harder and also sad when it does happen. Also to capture a 3D photo you could also use just a hand held device with stereo cameras. We dont necessarily need a HMD for it unless we are going for that precise framing where a 2D preview doesnt cut it. I wish such a device was perfected for the mass market. It could be as simple as a pair of regular cameras mounted on the back of a smartphone -- separated by the inter-ocular distance.
• AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  The video of the dad was almost literally shot for shot with Minority Report https://twitter.com/AndrewKemendo/status/1665868751479218176 https://twitter.com/AndrewKemendo/status/1665868751479218176
• instagraham 3y ago
  8 years ago, I recorded by graduation ceremony with a 360-degree panorama. I did the same with my first live concert at Wembley. It's something I can view with a Google Cardboard headset. But to this day, it remains my most powerful photographic memory and I'm glad I took it.
• parentheses 3y ago
  Agreed. As a parent, that just seemed like something that'd never happen the way it was shown. It'd be more like: - dads enjoying a movie on the headset - the kids come home and are immediately rambunctious - headset comes off
• ForrestN 3y ago
  I've seen this sentiment repeated ad nauseam since this morning, but I can't fully understand it. The comparison isn't between Vision and full presence. Imagine watching the same video with Dad pointing his phone at everyone instead. The days of experiencing things worth remembering with full presence are already over for most people—this isn't any worse than pointing a big opaque block at the person. Either way, there's a barrier. At least this way we can see their eyes to some extent, right?
• CobrastanJorji 3y ago
  It was an absolute flop, but I really appreciated how Google's "Clips" tried to solve this problem. Clip it on somewhere or stick it somewhere with a nice perspective, do your day and live in the moment, and afterward maybe it captured some special moments. A product that tried to let you be MORE in the moment. Fantastic idea. Turned out to not work in practice. Shame, really.