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Starting the article with the false equivalence of housing space to parking space is ridiculous. Housing requires a massive amount of ancillary infrastructure

Starting the article with the false equivalence of housing space to parking space is ridiculous. Housing requires a massive amount of ancillary infrastructure such as power, heat, plumbing/sewer, telecom etc. Parking requires either gravel or gravel with asphalt on top. Second, what happened in e.g. Moscow once cars were readily available and affordable? ... People who already had an advanced metro system, trains etc... still bought them! Why?

kiba 3y ago
Starting the article with the false equivalence of housing space to parking space is ridiculous. Housing requires a massive amount of ancillary infrastructure such as power, heat, plumbing/sewer, telecom etc. So do houses built further away. Do we want houses to be more close or not? What about corner shops? Second, what happened in e.g. Moscow once cars were readily available and affordable? ... People who already had an advanced metro system, trains etc... still bought them! Why? Cars happen when systems are built for them.
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  No, I do not want to live any closer to anyone else. I want a house with a yard to plant the seeds I want to grow and do the things I want to do. The quality of the fruit at even upscale places like Central Market is absolute dogshit compared to what I can grow in my backyard. Nobody who has only ever had figs from a market or grocery store has ever eaten a good fig. I do not want to live in a sad concrete box in a city somewhere, and my quality of life matters more to me than someone else's communal pipe dreams. I had a rural upbringing. Cities are nice to visit but they give me anxiety.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Do you miss that nobody is suggesting cars should be banned from rural communities?
  - orwin 3y ago
    The solution is obvious then. Keep the same system everywhere and especially in rural areas, but forbid cars in cities. People who like living in cities don't like cars. People living outside like them. It's quite easy to enforce tbh.
    - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
      > People who like living in cities don't like cars Some people who like living in some cities don't like cars. Try that schtick in Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, or New Orleans and see how far that gets you.
      - orwin 3y ago
        New Orleans is a small city surrounded by suburbs to be fair. And part of that city is already car-free. Dunno about the others.
  - kiba 3y ago
    Nobody said that you can't have backyards. It's about cars, not lack of green space.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  > Cars happen when systems are built for them. That's a tautology, and doesn't really address the point. Europeans also own a lot of cars, despite having cities much older than the modern automobile. Maybe cars have a use case that isn't easily addressed with public transit.
  - kiba 3y ago
    European cities underwent changes over time, some of which accommodates cars. They're not static at all.

kiba 3y ago

Starting the article with the false equivalence of housing space to parking space is ridiculous. Housing requires a massive amount of ancillary infrastructure such as power, heat, plumbing/sewer, telecom etc. So do houses built further away. Do we want houses to be more close or not? What about corner shops? Second, what happened in e.g. Moscow once cars were readily available and affordable? ... People who already had an advanced metro system, trains etc... still bought them! Why? Cars happen when systems are built for them.

MisterBastahrd 3y ago
No, I do not want to live any closer to anyone else. I want a house with a yard to plant the seeds I want to grow and do the things I want to do. The quality of the fruit at even upscale places like Central Market is absolute dogshit compared to what I can grow in my backyard. Nobody who has only ever had figs from a market or grocery store has ever eaten a good fig. I do not want to live in a sad concrete box in a city somewhere, and my quality of life matters more to me than someone else's communal pipe dreams. I had a rural upbringing. Cities are nice to visit but they give me anxiety.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Do you miss that nobody is suggesting cars should be banned from rural communities?
- orwin 3y ago
  The solution is obvious then. Keep the same system everywhere and especially in rural areas, but forbid cars in cities. People who like living in cities don't like cars. People living outside like them. It's quite easy to enforce tbh.
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    > People who like living in cities don't like cars Some people who like living in some cities don't like cars. Try that schtick in Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, or New Orleans and see how far that gets you.
    - orwin 3y ago
      New Orleans is a small city surrounded by suburbs to be fair. And part of that city is already car-free. Dunno about the others.
- kiba 3y ago
  Nobody said that you can't have backyards. It's about cars, not lack of green space.
rootusrootus 3y ago
> Cars happen when systems are built for them. That's a tautology, and doesn't really address the point. Europeans also own a lot of cars, despite having cities much older than the modern automobile. Maybe cars have a use case that isn't easily addressed with public transit.
- kiba 3y ago
  European cities underwent changes over time, some of which accommodates cars. They're not static at all.