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I find Amazon really irritating for that. I do a search for a very specific thing, and a ton of results always come back, often having nothing to do with my sea

by gramie 3y ago

I find Amazon really irritating for that. I do a search for a very specific thing, and a ton of results always come back, often having nothing to do with my search request. And sponsored results both at the top and scattered through the results.

cptskippy 3y ago
Amazon is gotten so bad that unless I know an exact part number or model then I don't bother. I'll go somewhere else for any research and only come back to Amazon if I want to price shop what I found.
- user_666 3y ago
  Amazon is so bad that I shop on Walmart's website now.
- hex4def6 3y ago
  Even with an exact part number, it will often push related items first. I was searching for a specific thermal printer, literally using the PN (something like C18647585), and it still decided to show me "sponsored" and related thermal printers first. So it somehow knew that part number as a keyword for thermal printers, but just didn't want to show me the one result that actually would be helpful (it was a third party seller, so maybe that penalizes the result?)
- deleted 3y ago
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xoxxala 3y ago
I get better results by searching Amazon via DDG, Brave or Kagi. Amazon's search, especially for books, is nearly useless by comparison.
- tedmiston 3y ago
  Luckily for us we have the high-quality, independent book data provider Goodreads! /s
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    There's Worldcat, though its site revise last year made it useless for me. I'm finding Open Library (part of the Internet Archive) is increasingly useful for book search. You might also have success with a major library (e.g., British Library, Library of Congress, major US city libraries (NYC, Boston, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.), and some academic libraries. Watch that these aren't in fact backed by Worldcat though. (Many local library systems are.)
  - winrid 3y ago
    I found goodreads search to be quite good, where's it lacking for you?
    - tedmiston 3y ago
      Goodreads is tolerable, but mainly as a data source. The product itself has been in maintenance mode for... a decade?... or basically since the Amazon acquisition. They rolled out a completely new design semi-recently for... half of the pages... and left the other half on the 10+ year old styles. It just feels like Amazon is happy to take advantage of its dominant position with Goodreads having a more complete catalog than any of the other more open offerings. And yet, they seem to invest no effort in modernizing or improving the site, making it more performant, etc. The moderation tools kinda suck too — doing super common things like merging (incorrect) duplicate listings is a PITA. Also the app exhibits blatant conflicts of interest like prioritizing buying new books from Amazon over, e.g., digital library loans, with no option for users to configure that. Nothing I'm saying here is new though - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodreads#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodreads#Criticism.
    - efreak 3y ago
      Amazon owns Goodreads. It's not independent. It's also not mentioned on the site afaik. (They also own IMDb and a bunch of other internet companies that aren't Amazon-branded). If you want something independent, try storygraph or librarything.
kybernetikos 3y ago
This is particularly bad if you search for a type of thing, e.g. "mechanical keyboard". Many of its top suggestions will be for nonmechanical keyboards and that won't be obvious without reading their descriptions carefully.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  “Mechanical keyboard like” What’s infuriating is how this lying has become normalized in “good” brands. For instance, try to buy a 60” TV. I do not think you can find one. They are all 59.5” and sold as ‘60” class’.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    That usually means that discriminatory taxes or regulations are being dodged, for better or worse.
    - account42 3y ago
      Perhaps that's one reason but it's also a >1% reduction in display area which is not nothing.
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  Aliexpress is the worst for this... "keyboard non mechanical like cherry switch membrane touch rgb light clicky gaming blogging ergonomic xiaomi redmi arduino android ios windows laptop desktop computer tablet phone", and if you sort by price, the first one is $0.99. Then you have 5 different colors of plasticky $15 keyboards and a usb card reader for $0.99 to choose.
quickthrowman 3y ago
Stop buying from Amazon. I haven’t bought anything from them in years. There is nothing that Amazon offers for sale that you can’t find somewhere else, aside from maybe entertainment content that they produce. Don’t reward bad behavior or they’ll keep doing it.
- account42 3y ago
  What you can find on amazon that you can't find elsewhere (at least here): - All your regular non-food needs in one cart. - No-hassle refunds if there is a problem with the order. The first one is just convenience and I could do without. The second one is where most other stores fail. Or at least enough of them that I don't want to risk having to phone their hotline or pay for shipping back because they or their delivery contractor fucked up - or is fraudulently claiming they tried to deliver when they made no such attempt at the specified address and instead want you to waste your time picking up the package at a random location accross town.

by gramie 3y ago

cptskippy 3y ago

Amazon is gotten so bad that unless I know an exact part number or model then I don't bother. I'll go somewhere else for any research and only come back to Amazon if I want to price shop what I found.

user_666 3y ago
Amazon is so bad that I shop on Walmart's website now.
hex4def6 3y ago
Even with an exact part number, it will often push related items first. I was searching for a specific thermal printer, literally using the PN (something like C18647585), and it still decided to show me "sponsored" and related thermal printers first. So it somehow knew that part number as a keyword for thermal printers, but just didn't want to show me the one result that actually would be helpful (it was a third party seller, so maybe that penalizes the result?)
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xoxxala 3y ago

I get better results by searching Amazon via DDG, Brave or Kagi. Amazon's search, especially for books, is nearly useless by comparison.

tedmiston 3y ago
Luckily for us we have the high-quality, independent book data provider Goodreads! /s
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  There's Worldcat, though its site revise last year made it useless for me. I'm finding Open Library (part of the Internet Archive) is increasingly useful for book search. You might also have success with a major library (e.g., British Library, Library of Congress, major US city libraries (NYC, Boston, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.), and some academic libraries. Watch that these aren't in fact backed by Worldcat though. (Many local library systems are.)
- winrid 3y ago
  I found goodreads search to be quite good, where's it lacking for you?
  - tedmiston 3y ago
    Goodreads is tolerable, but mainly as a data source. The product itself has been in maintenance mode for... a decade?... or basically since the Amazon acquisition. They rolled out a completely new design semi-recently for... half of the pages... and left the other half on the 10+ year old styles. It just feels like Amazon is happy to take advantage of its dominant position with Goodreads having a more complete catalog than any of the other more open offerings. And yet, they seem to invest no effort in modernizing or improving the site, making it more performant, etc. The moderation tools kinda suck too — doing super common things like merging (incorrect) duplicate listings is a PITA. Also the app exhibits blatant conflicts of interest like prioritizing buying new books from Amazon over, e.g., digital library loans, with no option for users to configure that. Nothing I'm saying here is new though - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodreads#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodreads#Criticism.
  - efreak 3y ago
    Amazon owns Goodreads. It's not independent. It's also not mentioned on the site afaik. (They also own IMDb and a bunch of other internet companies that aren't Amazon-branded). If you want something independent, try storygraph or librarything.

kybernetikos 3y ago

This is particularly bad if you search for a type of thing, e.g. "mechanical keyboard". Many of its top suggestions will be for nonmechanical keyboards and that won't be obvious without reading their descriptions carefully.

0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
“Mechanical keyboard like” What’s infuriating is how this lying has become normalized in “good” brands. For instance, try to buy a 60” TV. I do not think you can find one. They are all 59.5” and sold as ‘60” class’.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  That usually means that discriminatory taxes or regulations are being dodged, for better or worse.
  - account42 3y ago
    Perhaps that's one reason but it's also a >1% reduction in display area which is not nothing.
ajsnigrutin 3y ago
Aliexpress is the worst for this... "keyboard non mechanical like cherry switch membrane touch rgb light clicky gaming blogging ergonomic xiaomi redmi arduino android ios windows laptop desktop computer tablet phone", and if you sort by price, the first one is $0.99. Then you have 5 different colors of plasticky $15 keyboards and a usb card reader for $0.99 to choose.

quickthrowman 3y ago

Stop buying from Amazon. I haven’t bought anything from them in years. There is nothing that Amazon offers for sale that you can’t find somewhere else, aside from maybe entertainment content that they produce. Don’t reward bad behavior or they’ll keep doing it.

account42 3y ago
What you can find on amazon that you can't find elsewhere (at least here): - All your regular non-food needs in one cart. - No-hassle refunds if there is a problem with the order. The first one is just convenience and I could do without. The second one is where most other stores fail. Or at least enough of them that I don't want to risk having to phone their hotline or pay for shipping back because they or their delivery contractor fucked up - or is fraudulently claiming they tried to deliver when they made no such attempt at the specified address and instead want you to waste your time picking up the package at a random location accross town.