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Well that’s when WW3 starts. The US will not allow that to happen without a fight.

by pseg134 3y ago

BulgarianIdiot 3y ago
That's when the aliens invade us. When we're at our weakest!
- mikece 3y ago
  Not even the US Marines at their strongest could repel an alien invasion. If that was going to happen it would just happen regardless of our relative strength or weakness.
  - hyperbovine 3y ago
    But but what if they die upon contact with water though?
    - holmesworcester 3y ago
      Or small-batch amphetamines made by josh hartnett
    - emiliobumachar 3y ago
      Or their infrastructure is exceedingly vulnerable to computer viruses.
mikece 3y ago
We seem to be doing our darndest in Ukraine to poke The Bear. Maybe we'll get both but I though "they" were going to wait until Trump was re-elected so they could pin the whole mess on him.
- boo-ga-ga 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - mikece 3y ago
    That's one narrative. If you choose to ignore the machinations of the US State Department before and through the Maidan uprising then what Russia is doing seems unprovoked and possibly even genocidal. It's amazing that in this age of speed-of-light communication the ability to suppress facts is as prevalent as it is. Personally I'm not rooting for either side, only for the killing and escalation to stop before the whole world gets pulled into it.
    - eropple 3y ago
      > Personally I'm not rooting for either side, only for the killing and escalation to stop before the whole world gets pulled into it. Your selection of semi-truths suggests otherwise. The whole thing can stop tomorrow if Russia leaves.
    - toss1 3y ago
      >> Personally I'm not rooting for either side The hell you aren't. "Neutrality" always favors the aggressor. And here, you are literally spreading Putin's rhetoric. No one is "poking the bear". The bear is doing what it has historically done, violently attempt to expand its empire with a genocidal assault on it's neighbor's territory. This has zero to do with The Former Guy, who would literally hand over Ukraine to Russia; remember he was first impeached for trying to blackmail Ukraine, withholding arms (such as Javelin anti-tank weapons) until Zelenskyy would falsely announce opening some fabricated investigation of his political opponent. In this case the assault is at it's root being done because Putin cannot tolerate having his public see that a state former under Soviet rule is becoming successfully (small-"d") democratic, prosperous, and seeking to associate with Europe and the free world instead of Russia. The very real problem for Putin's administration is that his subject's seeing Ukraine's success is likely to provoke rebellion against his authoritarian rule. The problem that knowledge of Ukraine's success poses can be seen well in the Russian soldier's universal theft of toilets and painting on the walls "what gives you the right to live so well?". So, (knowledge of) Ukraine's success is an existential threat to the rule of Putin and the Oligarchs. Hence Russia's genocidal rhetoric, saying that they must eliminate the very idea of Ukranian existence, and their genocidal actions, from systematic rape and torture, stealing hundreds of thousands of children for "reeducation", etc. Another key reason this is happening is that the west has in the past failed to respond. In Chechnyia, Georgia, Syria, Crimea, Donbas, and more,when Russia attacked, the west tried to avoid engaging. The result, that Russia was allowed to continue occupying those territories, and was not punished for repeated atrocities and likely war crimes, was seen as weakness and permission. So they did it again. Unless it is stopped, it WILL continue. Russian spokesman, up to former Presidents still in the govt have explicitly made statements that the Baltics, Poland, and Germany have no right to exist, and that they should be nuking England. Russia (along with other authoritarian/fascist states) is a literally an existential threat to the world of democratic nations. If not stopped in Ukraine, they WILL continue their aggression. And, China is watching very closely - if the west lets Ukraine fall, then they WILL attack Taiwan. So, the question is, if we don't stop Russia now, when do we stop them? It would have been far better to have stopped them at Crimea. But, Obama didn't do that. So, do we stop them now, or in the Baltics, or in Poland? Or, do we wait for artillery to start falling on Berlin, or London, or Washington? The cost of stopping them goes up at every step, both economically and in blood. It is more expensive now than it would have been in Syria or Crimea. But now is also incredibly cheap. Ukrainian military is literally doing all the heavy lifting, and we are spending low single-digit percentages of our DOD budget sending them third-shelf inventory. And Russia is now stopped dead in it's tracks and it's military capabilities to threaten the rest of the world are heavily degraded. Providing arms for Ukraine to defend itself against genocide is the bargain of the century, and it is literally necessary to preserve democracy globally. The current POTUS deserves huge credit for leadership in stopping this aggression, and when it is finished will take it (i.e., no one is trying to pin anything on TFG)
- NotYourLawyer 3y ago
  Whatever the Russian military is these days, it ain’t a bear anymore.
  - mikece 3y ago
    "The Russian Bear" is a term that's been in use for centuries to refer to Russia herself, not necessarily her military. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Bear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Bear
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  Callous isolationism and conspiracy theorizing in one post! What are the odds?
  - toss1 3y ago
    A real stunt, indeed! But TBF, the odds are pretty good, as it is an art form refined by the Russians over centuries, and taught to MAGA movement that they funded in the US (via the NRA), and then made home-grown by the Q-anon movement... so, the odds are pretty good of seeing such stuff
    - mikece 3y ago
      You are indeed a cunning linguist!
      - BasedAnon 3y ago
        [flagged]
BasedAnon 3y ago
I think they actually will tbh, I don't think the US has any fight left in it.

Well that’s when WW3 starts. The US will not allow that to happen without a fight.

BulgarianIdiot 3y ago

That's when the aliens invade us. When we're at our weakest!

mikece 3y ago
Not even the US Marines at their strongest could repel an alien invasion. If that was going to happen it would just happen regardless of our relative strength or weakness.
- hyperbovine 3y ago
  But but what if they die upon contact with water though?
  - holmesworcester 3y ago
    Or small-batch amphetamines made by josh hartnett
  - emiliobumachar 3y ago
    Or their infrastructure is exceedingly vulnerable to computer viruses.

mikece 3y ago

We seem to be doing our darndest in Ukraine to poke The Bear. Maybe we'll get both but I though "they" were going to wait until Trump was re-elected so they could pin the whole mess on him.

boo-ga-ga 3y ago
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- mikece 3y ago
  That's one narrative. If you choose to ignore the machinations of the US State Department before and through the Maidan uprising then what Russia is doing seems unprovoked and possibly even genocidal. It's amazing that in this age of speed-of-light communication the ability to suppress facts is as prevalent as it is. Personally I'm not rooting for either side, only for the killing and escalation to stop before the whole world gets pulled into it.
  - eropple 3y ago
    > Personally I'm not rooting for either side, only for the killing and escalation to stop before the whole world gets pulled into it. Your selection of semi-truths suggests otherwise. The whole thing can stop tomorrow if Russia leaves.
  - toss1 3y ago
    >> Personally I'm not rooting for either side The hell you aren't. "Neutrality" always favors the aggressor. And here, you are literally spreading Putin's rhetoric. No one is "poking the bear". The bear is doing what it has historically done, violently attempt to expand its empire with a genocidal assault on it's neighbor's territory. This has zero to do with The Former Guy, who would literally hand over Ukraine to Russia; remember he was first impeached for trying to blackmail Ukraine, withholding arms (such as Javelin anti-tank weapons) until Zelenskyy would falsely announce opening some fabricated investigation of his political opponent. In this case the assault is at it's root being done because Putin cannot tolerate having his public see that a state former under Soviet rule is becoming successfully (small-"d") democratic, prosperous, and seeking to associate with Europe and the free world instead of Russia. The very real problem for Putin's administration is that his subject's seeing Ukraine's success is likely to provoke rebellion against his authoritarian rule. The problem that knowledge of Ukraine's success poses can be seen well in the Russian soldier's universal theft of toilets and painting on the walls "what gives you the right to live so well?". So, (knowledge of) Ukraine's success is an existential threat to the rule of Putin and the Oligarchs. Hence Russia's genocidal rhetoric, saying that they must eliminate the very idea of Ukranian existence, and their genocidal actions, from systematic rape and torture, stealing hundreds of thousands of children for "reeducation", etc. Another key reason this is happening is that the west has in the past failed to respond. In Chechnyia, Georgia, Syria, Crimea, Donbas, and more,when Russia attacked, the west tried to avoid engaging. The result, that Russia was allowed to continue occupying those territories, and was not punished for repeated atrocities and likely war crimes, was seen as weakness and permission. So they did it again. Unless it is stopped, it WILL continue. Russian spokesman, up to former Presidents still in the govt have explicitly made statements that the Baltics, Poland, and Germany have no right to exist, and that they should be nuking England. Russia (along with other authoritarian/fascist states) is a literally an existential threat to the world of democratic nations. If not stopped in Ukraine, they WILL continue their aggression. And, China is watching very closely - if the west lets Ukraine fall, then they WILL attack Taiwan. So, the question is, if we don't stop Russia now, when do we stop them? It would have been far better to have stopped them at Crimea. But, Obama didn't do that. So, do we stop them now, or in the Baltics, or in Poland? Or, do we wait for artillery to start falling on Berlin, or London, or Washington? The cost of stopping them goes up at every step, both economically and in blood. It is more expensive now than it would have been in Syria or Crimea. But now is also incredibly cheap. Ukrainian military is literally doing all the heavy lifting, and we are spending low single-digit percentages of our DOD budget sending them third-shelf inventory. And Russia is now stopped dead in it's tracks and it's military capabilities to threaten the rest of the world are heavily degraded. Providing arms for Ukraine to defend itself against genocide is the bargain of the century, and it is literally necessary to preserve democracy globally. The current POTUS deserves huge credit for leadership in stopping this aggression, and when it is finished will take it (i.e., no one is trying to pin anything on TFG)
NotYourLawyer 3y ago
Whatever the Russian military is these days, it ain’t a bear anymore.
- mikece 3y ago
  "The Russian Bear" is a term that's been in use for centuries to refer to Russia herself, not necessarily her military. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Bear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Bear
shrimp_emoji 3y ago
Callous isolationism and conspiracy theorizing in one post! What are the odds?
- toss1 3y ago
  A real stunt, indeed! But TBF, the odds are pretty good, as it is an art form refined by the Russians over centuries, and taught to MAGA movement that they funded in the US (via the NRA), and then made home-grown by the Q-anon movement... so, the odds are pretty good of seeing such stuff
  - mikece 3y ago
    You are indeed a cunning linguist!
    - BasedAnon 3y ago
      [flagged]

BasedAnon 3y ago

I think they actually will tbh, I don't think the US has any fight left in it.