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Generative AI learning path
- oidar 3y agoLearning path? One of the courses only has one 9 minute video and a quiz...
- visarga 3y agoLearn transformers in 22 minutes! (really, just 22?) That's what they are offering.
- alex_lav 3y agoIs this a spoof? edit This definitely seems like phishing?
- vages 3y agoDefinitely not: The .google TLD is only open to Alphabet employees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.google
- alex_lav 3y agoInteresting, TIL https://support.google.com/qwiklabs/answer/9210144?hl=en https://support.google.com/qwiklabs/answer/9210144?hl=en Seems super sketchy.
- quickthrower2 3y agoIts very weird for Google to be charging for this yes. Definitely pricked my ears up but can’t see how this is spoofed unless google.com has been pwnd.
- alex_lav 3y agoI don't really care about the charging. A non google.com TLD asking for my google credentials is phishing.
- quickthrower2 3y agoThe UX is admittedly horrendous but this is not what is happening. On the other hand if you think it is phishing stick to your guns and don’t use it. It is better to be too cautious.
- ehsankia 3y agoFor a domain they own, you'd think they could find a better name than cloudskillsboost... Google Cloud Skills Boost is such a mouth full
- SkyPuncher 3y agoAlso, Clouds Kills Boost
- onion2k 3y agoI don't think it's phishing but I do think it might be an advert for Google's hosted AI model training product.
- alex_lav 3y agoThe sign in page shows Google Cloud's logo, but is not Google's sign in page.
- jh00ker 3y agoPhishing how? The URL links directly to the page without redirection. The page is owned by Google. It's an existing learning platform...
- quickthrower2 3y agoIts a normal sign in flow. A safe way just in case is to log in to Google normally, close that tab, open the posted link then click the links in the oauth flow without entering credentials.
- alex_lav 3y agoA normal sign in flow, that is not google.com (or a subdomain), or an oauth sign in screen, presenting as google, seemingly asking for my google creds? But is not google.com or affiliated. I'm just supposed to...trust it's google? Again, seems sketchy. Even if not actually sketchy (I'm obviously unwilling to try).
- quickthrower2 3y agoClick sign in with google instead of entering user/pass. You are now on a google.com domain. Same as any other site.
- remexre 3y ago"to continue to Qwiklabs," which is what you get when using Google to auth to 3rd-party services, not 1st-party ones
- quickthrower2 3y agoI think there is some of external company partnership white labelling half arsed shit going on there.
- DashAnimal 3y agoOh man I am with you on this in that, the fact that it's not a phishing site, to me, means google is sending the completely wrong message to users. Here is a site with a non-google.com URL that expects users to know that only google owns that TLD, has a non Google sign in page, uses google logo. Eek.
- j45 3y agoA little surprising they wouldn’t use their own tld but maybe that takes too much work to get setup.
- swores 3y agoThey literally are using their own TLD, ".google". The comment you replied to is surprised that they did use their own TLD, thinking they should stick with their classic domain on not their own TLD (google.com)
- j45 3y agoYou're right, I meant google.com However, using their own .google TLD makes sense the closer I looked at this link after you brought my attention to it. This appears to be a branded and hosted version of a third party learning platform that might be simpler to deliver a whitelabeled expereince. The login experience (either to use your google credentials or create your own account) seems to be the confusing piece. I would not be surprised if this is not a third party piece of software in which case the login screen makes sense.
- notatoad 3y agothe sign-in flow directs you to a normal google.com sign-in, or you can use the sign-up form on this site just like any other non-google site - they're not asking you to enter your google account credentials here.
- skilled 3y agoStop wasting people’s time. It’s a real page and you would have figured that out in 5 seconds if you cared to look it up.
- dpa42 3y agoIt is Google's e-learning platform that provides courses and labs (step-by-step trainings in Google Cloud). Before cloudskillboost it was called Qwiklabs which was acquired by Google a couple of years ago. It is completely legit and has a OAuth login flow using your Google Identity. For Google partners the trainings are free. (Source: working at a Google Cloud partner)
- Larrikin 3y agoSo you trust Google can afford Google.com but you specifically think a TLD of .Google is phishing and not literally the first TLD they would buy when the proliferation of new custom TLDs came out years ago?
- onion2k 3y agoThis page doesn't fit on my (old and crappy) Android phone. The cookie banner overflows horizontally on the homepage, and the course pages don't fit at all. I understand that it's hard to make a webpage that response well on all devices but you'd think Google could manage it.
- dzink 3y agoIt’s likely an on-boarding platform to get more business for google cloud.
- j45 3y agoThat’s ok? First principles learning packaged for how adults learn best is bound to have transferable knowledge to other platforms.
- Daz1 3y agoWhat are these awful comments? You're getting a free training course.
- Fordec 3y ago"If you're not paying for the product, you are the product"
- vander_elst 3y agoI have the impression that these days there's a very strong bias against Google on HN.
- Timber-6539 3y agoFrom the "toggle info panel" button on one of the courses. > Can I take this course for free? - When you enroll into most courses, you will be able to consume course materials like videos and documents for free. If a course consists of labs, you will need to purchase an individual subscription or credits to be able consume the labs. Labs can also be unlocked by any campaigns you participate in. All required activities in a course must be completed to be awarded the completion badge
- lagt_t 3y agoYeah there are 4 labs in this learning path. Meh.
- resolutebat 3y agoThe first 8 courses cover only theory and are completely free. The last two require spinning up GCP compute resources and cost 1 credit and 3 credits respectively, where the baseline price of a Qwiklabs credit is $1 each.
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- q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 3y ago<vent> Ah, the classic "California Corporate" style of speaking: Q: Yes or no question about a specific case? A: Four sentences of condescending and convoluted explanation about how the rules work for the entire system, while simultaneously refusing to give a clear "yes" or "no" to the specific case being asked about. It seems passive-aggressive to demand that every single reader piece together the logic of their "labs" and "campaigns" and "badges" to figure out if a given course is free or not. I'm all for shipping early and often, but it does feel like adding 2 if statements would have made the whole pricing answer about 100x more user-friendly. </vent>
- stonekyx 3y agoBecause people too often jump to conclusions on hearing yes/no, imo. Not trying to defend the corporate speak though, obviously they should have put the yes/no up front and then try to explain later.
- pkd 3y agoFor the paranoid but lazy, here is a page on a google.com address that talks about and links to this page: https://support.google.com/qwiklabs/answer/9210144?hl=en https://support.google.com/qwiklabs/answer/9210144?hl=en It seems like this course is "contracted" out to "Qwiklabs", but otherwise seems legit.
- resolutebat 3y agoQwiklabs was acquired by Google back in 2016 and has been their standard training platform for ages. https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/21/google-acquires-qwiklabs-to-teach-developers-cloud-skills/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/21/google-acquires-qwiklabs-t...
- pkd 3y agoAh nice! I stopped looking after I found the support page.
- skilled 3y agoOf course it is legit. That guy who made the comment is just too lazy to look it up. https://edu.google.com/programs/credits/training/ https://edu.google.com/programs/credits/training/
- liampulles 3y agoIt is, I studied a Google very via a similar qwiklabs interface a few years ago
- superkuh 3y agoThis is pretty cool. There are good video lectures around for much of the transformer parts (the huggingface stuff, other ml youtubers, etc) but deep dive stuff like this is appreciated. It's worth noting the actual videos are just unlisted youtube links so you can add them to playlists.
- mxkopy 3y agoAs someone who self-taught essentially this over the past couple years, I'm not sure what benefit it would bring. Both developing and deploying models are already domains well established enough to not be covered by a couple courses (I'll be honest it doesn't seem like the material is 9 courses worth). You can hire an 'AI Engineer' or freely use an open source SOTA model developed by a team of PhDs.
- uxcolumbo 3y agoWhat’s your suggested path for someone new to this to learn about ML and how it can solve business problems? Deeplearning.ai Fast.ai Kaggle.com ?
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- mxkopy 3y agoI'm not Google weirdo
- uxcolumbo 3y agoI was basically asking what was your path to self learn ML. But thanks for your very insightful answer.
- mxkopy 3y agoSQL and XGBoost will solve 95% of your business problems. It's boring but it's true. If you're trying to create the Terminator for real, that's when you start looking at the JAX/TensorFlow/PyTorch docs. I started with that first, and paid attention to the math along the way. If you go math-first you can quickly lose the forest for the trees. But you can find pretty in-depth tutorials and source code for any of those frameworks (and the math) on Google.
- __rito__ 3y agoI studied Physics in college, so I mostly knew the Math. Here's what I used to self-learn: 1. Machine Learning for Absolute Beginners by Oliver Theobald 2. ISLR 3. Machine Learning by Andrew Ng on Coursera 4. Deep Learning by Andrew Ng on Coursera 5. fast.ai 6. Sebastian Raschka's PyTorch book Good Math refreshers: 1. Mathematics for Machine Learning Specialization by Imperial College London 2. Linear Algebra and Calculus series by 3blue1brown on YT Later I delved deep into Computer Vision for profession, and Edge AI for personal projects.
- cornfutes 3y agoTechnically speaking, this is a 3rd party app. Evidence is the "sign in with Google" saying the app is owned by Qwiklabs. It took a bit of dig but they were acquired by Google. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/qwiklabs https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/qwiklabs. Strange that they haven't fully assimilated their stack / org into Google / GCP proper. Edit: seems like they were acquired in 2016. On the one hand, it seems unacceptable that this team is going rogue and autonomous in 2023. Disclaimer: I worked at Google acquiree and worked on projects to integrate into Google proper. On the other hand, they must be frustrated with all the redtape of GCP. Disclaimer: I worked on GCP and also worked with the docs org there. The GCP docs org was the most toxic, incompetent and difficult people to work with during my time at Google. It would not surprise me if they were gatekeeping and blocking on this initiative. They ignored user feedback, and also shutdown any feedback from GCP developers and people who actually used and understood the product.
- judge2020 3y agoGoogle Workspace acquisitions are already a huge pain for regular orgs. I imagine it takes even longer for such orgs to be assimilated into Google.com, especially since they might decide to utilize dev time to make changes that’ll ease the migration or otherwise enable more data to be directly assimilated.
- megablast 3y ago> Strange that they haven't fully assimilated their stack / org into Google / GCP proper. This is the opposite of strange.
- cornfutes 3y agoGoogle must comply with all sorts of regulations and compliance. You get a lot out of the box if you used standard tooling. For example, privacy, GDPR and data retention compliance if you used standardized libraries. You also have dedicated teams who can streamline issues. It's the equivalent of registering your company in Delaware.
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- abledon 3y agoI find it weird that there are no images on this page, and they only use the colors white and blue.. I swear, the google design team is ignoring everyone who enjoys seeing more than 2-3 colors on a page. Icons with colors! Icons with colors! please. Azure knocks this concept out of the park, with AWS coming in a close second.
- chirau 3y agoPersonally couldn't care less what colors they use or didn't use. As long as the material is valuable. I am here to learn, not to take pictures like a foodie and admire colors. For me, the colors they have on there are great. I can focus without distractions of moving backgrounds, gradient colors etc.
- skim1420 3y agoNot sure why, but after you log in, colors and images are included.
- awinter-py 3y agoif you have to log in it's not free
- Trencin 3y agoNo one here uses Google training? I was surprised by all the suspicious comments. The content behind a paywall but is also mirrored on online academic sites which you can audit for free. Source: I have a monthly sub to Qwiklabs.
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoI’ve liked Karpathy’s course [1]. Curious to hear a comparison—I’m concerned about corrupt motives with today’s Google. [1] https://karpathy.ai/zero-to-hero.html https://karpathy.ai/zero-to-hero.html
- malermeister 3y agoAlso curious about how either of them compare to the Andrew Ng one: https://www.coursera.org/learn/ai-for-everyone https://www.coursera.org/learn/ai-for-everyone
- suyash 3y agoAbsolutely, Google's free course is just a promo plug to get you sucked into GCP. I prefer courses that are not tied to any particular cloud vendor.
- sonabinu 3y agoIt’s really good! I especially like how he explains the code with the Attention is All You Need paper. His State of GPT talk at Microsoft is a great follow up. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s6zNXZaIiiI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s6zNXZaIiiI
- fenomas 3y agoThat course is extremely good. Particularly the first six videos start from literally nothing (but basic math/coding), and build all the way up to AI models that were state of the art a matter of years ago. The way Andrej explains things is brilliant - he'll write some code to visualize the data, then point out something that looks anomalous, suggest a possible cause, then write code to fix the problem, and then after it's all implemented say "oh by the way that function we just wrote is also a standard pytorch API". And you wind up understanding the API in a way you never would have if he'd started by introducing the API and then explaining what problem it solves. The final video (on ChatGPT) skips ahead a fair bit, but is still a great explanation of how attention works. Incidentally I don't know any python but I had no trouble following along.
- 93po 3y agoI'm watching this now and maybe he explains in detail soon, but he starts off talking about loss functions and back propagation and tensors and this very much does not feel like a course for someone with python and vague memories of high school calc.
- chirau 3y agoQwiklabs is a Google company. It handles most if not all of their technical training that has labs. It has been a Google company for more than 7 years.
- malermeister 3y agoIf I were a software engineer with minimal AI knowledge, what would be the best way to change that? This learning path? Andrew Ng's Course? (https://www.coursera.org/learn/ai-for-everyone https://www.coursera.org/learn/ai-for-everyone) Karpathy's Course? (https://karpathy.ai/zero-to-hero.html https://karpathy.ai/zero-to-hero.html) Something else entirely?
- itsuka 3y agoI have taken Andrew Ng's courses on DeepLearning.AI and I highly recommend them if you are interested in quickly building LLM-based apps. I suggest taking them in the following order: - https://www.deeplearning.ai/short-courses/chatgpt-prompt-engineering-for-developers https://www.deeplearning.ai/short-courses/chatgpt-prompt-eng... - https://www.deeplearning.ai/short-courses/building-systems-with-chatgpt/ https://www.deeplearning.ai/short-courses/building-systems-w... - https://www.deeplearning.ai/short-courses/langchain-for-llm-application-development/ https://www.deeplearning.ai/short-courses/langchain-for-llm-... Note: although I only have basic Python skills, I am still able to follow these courses
- malermeister 3y agoHmmm from what I can tell, at least the first two are more about how to use existing AI - is that correct? I think I'd be more interested in exploring how to build new things if so.
- itsuka 3y agoI'm not sure what you're trying to build, but by the end of the second course, you should be able to create a customer service chatbot that is equivalent to what others have built. If you're interested in building/fine-tuning an LLM, that's totally beyond my knowledge.
- blackmesaind 3y agoMIT posts their AI/ML Degree requirements online, as well as the courses, for free. Shouldn't take you more than a year to finish it and start reading research papers.
- RonnieOwnsLexus 3y agoHow do I see syllabus or contents for these courses?
- as4296 3y agoFor those who have taken the course, how useful do you think this is? Also, how does Google's models compare to those of OpenAI?
- robbie-c 3y agoLooks like the examples use TensorFlow, my understanding is that outside Google, most of the industry has centered around PyTorch for now. Do any practitioners have any opinions on which it's more valuable to learn and whether that makes a difference?
- rg111 3y agoEveryone uses PyTorch both in industry and academic research. Some labs use JAX/Flax. Companies that ships ML products often use Tensorflow. I want to say that it doesn't matter much which one you start with, but you will have to learn PyTorch anyway- in the future- if you are serious about DL. And the experience of working with PyTorch is Astronomical Units better than Tensorflow. PyTorch is much more pleasant to work with and you can do really custom stuff pretty easily.
- BaculumMeumEst 3y agoDoes anyone have recommendations for introductory text to deep learning for someone who learned math up through multivariable calculus/diff eq in school? The books I’ve found so far are either too general (not focused on deep learning) or hand-waive over the math.
- arubio 3y agoI recommend https://d2l.ai https://d2l.ai
- BaculumMeumEst 3y agothanks so much, this looks extremely well put together
- __rito__ 3y agoLearn Machine Learning first. Andrew Ng's course is great. Then learn Deep Learning through Andrew NG's course on Coursera. Then go through fast.ai for practical projects. Learn PyTorch well. There are many books around. I like the one from Manning and the one by Sebastian Raschka. Then chart your own path from there. Many people "learned Math" in college, but these were actually mostly mindless following of algorithms to solve problems by hand. If you want proper refreshers, go through ICL's Mathematics for Machine Learning Specialization on Coursera or 3blue1brown's series on Linear Algebra and Calculus.
- tikkun 3y agoHere's my compilation of AI learning resources - I think some of the ones I've collected will be a better place to start for most people. I categorized them into what kind of goal they're relevant for - building products, deploying custom models, or self study towards ai research science and research eng roles. https://llm-utils.org/AI+Learning+Curation https://llm-utils.org/AI+Learning+Curation
- swyx 3y agoand here are mine, organized by beginner/intermediate/advanced https://github.com/swyxio/ai-notes/blob/main/README.md#top-ai-reads https://github.com/swyxio/ai-notes/blob/main/README.md#top-a... and then you can go into the individual modality specific notes for more reading
- 93po 3y agohey thanks, this is super helpful for me as a web dev trying taking time off work to hopefully transition to this space. I especially appreciated your descriptions of the roles.