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I always thought netflix would have best fit owning a news channel that just focused on reporting facts, events, without spin, as they happen. Due to sheer subs

I always thought netflix would have best fit owning a news channel that just focused on reporting facts, events, without spin, as they happen. Due to sheer subscriber numbers, if the news channel had advertisements, it'd have a good chance at large viewership to bring in profit.

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scarface_74 3y ago
When half the country believes the “election was stolen”, there is no agreement in facts. Even on HN, there was an argument about something as sensible as “kids in preschool were a major cause of the spread of Covid”, while parents have known from time immemorial that kids in preschool were walking Petri dishes for every communicable disease imaginable. The above statement is very much common sense. Now the opinion should come in about what should have been done about that fact.
- hinkley 3y ago
  If the election really was stolen they seem pretty docile about it. It was posturing. That’s more consistent with the evidence.
  - operatingthetan 3y ago
    >If the election really was stolen they seem pretty docile about it. Has January 6th already slipped from your mind? Aside from that it's strange to suggest we should ignore what people said, consistently, for years.
    - HaroldBolt78 3y ago
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      - operatingthetan 3y ago
        Calls to hang the vice president of the united states are docile? People trying to hunt down specific members of congress docile? Breaking down doors docile? You're gaslighting hard here. Clearly people believed the false claims about the election and were taking action about it. This isn't docile: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-rioter-peter-schwartz-sentenced-1234730839/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-ri...
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    - hinkley 3y ago
      I don’t know how they saw themselves on Jan 5, but afterward they’ve acted like a bunch of teenagers who threw a tantrum and now want to be indulged for a misunderstanding (leniency). As serious as the charges are, I think we should honor their desires because it belittles the entire pack of idiots. People doing serious jail time for something that was so stupid, it deflated them.
      - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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        scarface_74 3y ago
        So how do you think the response would have been if a bunch of black folks invaded the capital or an armed group of Black men were in the state capital in Michigan causing them to postpone their session?
        PM_me_your_math 3y ago
        Like when democrats bombed the senate building?
        scarface_74 3y ago
        When did that happen?
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > Has January 6th already slipped from your mind Is there a fairly neutral source on January 6? I can only find partisan ones, and the photos and video I saw seem very benign. Is there a decent writeup that draws it all together?
      - adl 3y ago
        People died. It was not "very benign".
        robertlagrant 3y ago
        I thought that was a person who was climbing in through a window and was shot by police? Were there others?
      - krapp 3y ago
        Assuming you don't intend to dismiss any source that doesn't paint an entirely benign image as being partisan, there is the Wikipedia page[0]. Of course, it's easy to find plenty of non-benign images and video from the event, it's odd that you've apparently never encountered them. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        What’s “benign” about trespassing in a government building causing lawmakers and the VP to go into hiding?
        robertlagrant 3y ago
        I think with almost any other protest group, trespassing would not be being thought of this severely.
    - bobsmooth 3y ago
      What about that unscheduled building tour is so important?
  - IOT_Apprentice 3y ago
    Aside from storming the Capital, intending to beat & murder politicians they don’t like, smearing feces on the walls and parading confederate flags through it, and general white rage, you mean?
- aaron695 3y ago
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- ssharp 3y ago
  I doubt the real number believing that is half the public, or even half the voting public. Certainly a fair number, maybe not the majority, but at least a sizable chunk, of Republicans don't believe the stolen election theories.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/republicans-increasingly-realize-theres-no-evidence-of-election-fraud-but-most-still-think-2020-election-was-stolen-anyway-poll-finds/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/republi...
  - spacemadness 3y ago
    All I have is gut feel, but I agree. If half the public truly believed the election was rigged, then we’re a pathetic lot for not being out in the streets daily raising hell in protest. People just say it without believing it. The Jan 6th folks believed it, but there has been nothing since.
    - ribosometronome 3y ago
      Isn't that more or less what happened in 2000, with little to show for it? It all coming down to a confusing ballot in a state run by one of the candidate's brother's, the recounts were ordered stopped, and later analysis showed full recounts would actually have given Gore the state & presidency.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        There is no equivalence. They had recounts in multiple states before the election was decided and each case, Biden won by more votes - including my former home state GA where there was a Republican governor and a Republican Secretary of State that stood up to the foolishness. There were no mass protest and certainly no invasion of the Capital. Gore didn’t spend years complaining. He ceded the election and moved on.
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- robertlagrant 3y ago
  > When half the country believes the “election was stolen”, there is no agreement in facts. At one time or another, it's been far more than half. Trump "losing the popular vote" was daily news on left-leaning sites. From Hillary Clinton: > Trump "knows he’s an illegitimate president," Clinton said. "I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did … I know he knows this wasn’t on the level." And Russian interference comments, e.g. these from Jimmy Carter: > In June 2019, Jimmy Carter, the former Democratic president, said, "There’s no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election, and I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf." In fact last year, a whopping 72%[0] of Democrats thought Russians got Donald Trump elected, which is about the same as the number of Republicans[1] who think that the Twitter files etc contributed to Joe Biden winning. All in all, most of the US can be convinced that a fraud happened, split equally along party lines. [0] https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2022/democrats_still_believe_russia_changed_2016_election https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/gen... [2] https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/70-percent-republicans-falsely-believe-stolen-election-trump https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/70-percent-republ...
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    > At one time or another, it's been far more than half. Trump "losing the popular vote" was daily news on left-leaning sites. From Hillary Clinton: This was a fact. No one claimed that he lost the electoral vote and no one claimed that he didn’t win based on the rules. > In fact last year, a whopping 72%[0] of Democrats thought Russians got Donald Trump elected It is a fact that Russia interfered in the election and that they were responsible for hacking and leaking the Democrats private messages. It is also a fact that people close to Trump were convicted about lying about their communication with Russia. The opinion part comes in about whether it resulted in Trumps winning. I’m also not clutching my pearls. I know that the US has a history of interfering with (small d) democratic elections across the world.
- PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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  - scarface_74 3y ago
    From your link Clinton: “I take responsible for the parts that I should”. Has Trump ever taken any responsibility for his loss?

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scarface_74 3y ago

When half the country believes the “election was stolen”, there is no agreement in facts. Even on HN, there was an argument about something as sensible as “kids in preschool were a major cause of the spread of Covid”, while parents have known from time immemorial that kids in preschool were walking Petri dishes for every communicable disease imaginable. The above statement is very much common sense. Now the opinion should come in about what should have been done about that fact.

hinkley 3y ago
If the election really was stolen they seem pretty docile about it. It was posturing. That’s more consistent with the evidence.
- operatingthetan 3y ago
  >If the election really was stolen they seem pretty docile about it. Has January 6th already slipped from your mind? Aside from that it's strange to suggest we should ignore what people said, consistently, for years.
  - HaroldBolt78 3y ago
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    - operatingthetan 3y ago
      Calls to hang the vice president of the united states are docile? People trying to hunt down specific members of congress docile? Breaking down doors docile? You're gaslighting hard here. Clearly people believed the false claims about the election and were taking action about it. This isn't docile: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-rioter-peter-schwartz-sentenced-1234730839/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-ri...
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  - hinkley 3y ago
    I don’t know how they saw themselves on Jan 5, but afterward they’ve acted like a bunch of teenagers who threw a tantrum and now want to be indulged for a misunderstanding (leniency). As serious as the charges are, I think we should honor their desires because it belittles the entire pack of idiots. People doing serious jail time for something that was so stupid, it deflated them.
    - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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      - scarface_74 3y ago
        So how do you think the response would have been if a bunch of black folks invaded the capital or an armed group of Black men were in the state capital in Michigan causing them to postpone their session?
        PM_me_your_math 3y ago
        Like when democrats bombed the senate building?
        scarface_74 3y ago
        When did that happen?
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > Has January 6th already slipped from your mind Is there a fairly neutral source on January 6? I can only find partisan ones, and the photos and video I saw seem very benign. Is there a decent writeup that draws it all together?
    - adl 3y ago
      People died. It was not "very benign".
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        I thought that was a person who was climbing in through a window and was shot by police? Were there others?
    - krapp 3y ago
      Assuming you don't intend to dismiss any source that doesn't paint an entirely benign image as being partisan, there is the Wikipedia page[0]. Of course, it's easy to find plenty of non-benign images and video from the event, it's odd that you've apparently never encountered them. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      What’s “benign” about trespassing in a government building causing lawmakers and the VP to go into hiding?
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        I think with almost any other protest group, trespassing would not be being thought of this severely.
  - bobsmooth 3y ago
    What about that unscheduled building tour is so important?
- IOT_Apprentice 3y ago
  Aside from storming the Capital, intending to beat & murder politicians they don’t like, smearing feces on the walls and parading confederate flags through it, and general white rage, you mean?
aaron695 3y ago
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ssharp 3y ago
I doubt the real number believing that is half the public, or even half the voting public. Certainly a fair number, maybe not the majority, but at least a sizable chunk, of Republicans don't believe the stolen election theories.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/republicans-increasingly-realize-theres-no-evidence-of-election-fraud-but-most-still-think-2020-election-was-stolen-anyway-poll-finds/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/republi...
- spacemadness 3y ago
  All I have is gut feel, but I agree. If half the public truly believed the election was rigged, then we’re a pathetic lot for not being out in the streets daily raising hell in protest. People just say it without believing it. The Jan 6th folks believed it, but there has been nothing since.
  - ribosometronome 3y ago
    Isn't that more or less what happened in 2000, with little to show for it? It all coming down to a confusing ballot in a state run by one of the candidate's brother's, the recounts were ordered stopped, and later analysis showed full recounts would actually have given Gore the state & presidency.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      There is no equivalence. They had recounts in multiple states before the election was decided and each case, Biden won by more votes - including my former home state GA where there was a Republican governor and a Republican Secretary of State that stood up to the foolishness. There were no mass protest and certainly no invasion of the Capital. Gore didn’t spend years complaining. He ceded the election and moved on.
- krapp 3y ago
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robertlagrant 3y ago
> When half the country believes the “election was stolen”, there is no agreement in facts. At one time or another, it's been far more than half. Trump "losing the popular vote" was daily news on left-leaning sites. From Hillary Clinton: > Trump "knows he’s an illegitimate president," Clinton said. "I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did … I know he knows this wasn’t on the level." And Russian interference comments, e.g. these from Jimmy Carter: > In June 2019, Jimmy Carter, the former Democratic president, said, "There’s no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election, and I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf." In fact last year, a whopping 72%[0] of Democrats thought Russians got Donald Trump elected, which is about the same as the number of Republicans[1] who think that the Twitter files etc contributed to Joe Biden winning. All in all, most of the US can be convinced that a fraud happened, split equally along party lines. [0] https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2022/democrats_still_believe_russia_changed_2016_election https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/gen... [2] https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/70-percent-republicans-falsely-believe-stolen-election-trump https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/70-percent-republ...
- scarface_74 3y ago
  > At one time or another, it's been far more than half. Trump "losing the popular vote" was daily news on left-leaning sites. From Hillary Clinton: This was a fact. No one claimed that he lost the electoral vote and no one claimed that he didn’t win based on the rules. > In fact last year, a whopping 72%[0] of Democrats thought Russians got Donald Trump elected It is a fact that Russia interfered in the election and that they were responsible for hacking and leaking the Democrats private messages. It is also a fact that people close to Trump were convicted about lying about their communication with Russia. The opinion part comes in about whether it resulted in Trumps winning. I’m also not clutching my pearls. I know that the US has a history of interfering with (small d) democratic elections across the world.
PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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- scarface_74 3y ago
  From your link Clinton: “I take responsible for the parts that I should”. Has Trump ever taken any responsibility for his loss?