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> Freshman year, first semester, I paid $1100 for books, and then we only actually used one of them more than slightly. This really bothers me. Universities h

• Firmwarrior 3y ago
  It's complete bullshit You can now comfortably afford to hire a staff of PhD students to tutor you 1on1 in every subject you want to learn more cheaply than going to a university. So where the FUCK is all that money going?
  • ehvatum 3y ago
    > So where the FUCK is all that money going? Please be aware that higher education is a massive dumping ground for the lowest-performing segment of the politically-connected managerial class, who are too cowardly and lazy to run for elected office, and too stupid and impulsive to make it in industry. Academia is perfect, for them: a gigantic stage for demonstrating moral superiority and hiring friends, with no fundamentals that matter at all.
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    • miked85 3y ago
      Totally agree. I only had one professor who had any idea how things work in the industry, and she went back to it within a couple years. I'm not saying there's no value at a university, but most of it is a waste of time and money.
  • notimetorelax 3y ago
    Have just checked financials of one of the providers. It appears that at least 50% of it goes to Sales General and Administrative expenses. Those don’t include educator salaries, buildings, or material. Those are all “admin” expenses. Oh and another 14% gets invested - buildings and securities.
  • pydry 3y ago
    Middlemen. Our economy has become increasingly more parasitic in all spheres.
    • charlieyu1 3y ago
      I always thought the tech revolution would mean cutting of traditional middlemen
      • 6510 3y ago
        books and libraries and radio and tv and internet will revolutionize education - people said. It was either a joke or schools and universities have an incredibly tight grip on their market. Picture what illusive product one can make in those settings. You can have insane prices, the only limit would be what people can afford. The maximum price then becomes maximum debt. While at the same time you can rush out a product that is complete crap, borderline believable but only for the ones who make the relevant decisions. I see a docu one time about a semi-commercial chinese education formula. Each subject is cut up into tiny modules, seemingly as tiny as possible. One tiny booklet and 1-2 classes. You remember dependency hell? That was it, on steroids. The cert for the module, combined with others did give you access to additional modules and the bundle of coupons eventually turned into a more milestone like diploma but this wasn't the interesting part! You could take a different path after doing a module and become an instructor assistant, become an instructor and then become an instructor assistant instructor! If someone discovered a hard question there was always additional gray matter above you in the food chain. They had people who could barely bang 2 rocks together TEACHING how to bang the rocks as if the universe revolved around it. Others build a parkour tightly packed with modules one after the other. If they failed anything they got stuck eventually as you cant do C without A+B The early adopters of the MLM program had their hands full assisting the teachers teachers teachers. It looked humbling to say the least. edit: I forgot the part where one could start a business and continue to enjoy the advice from those you paid to teach you and the job offers listing specifically what modules were required.
    • Enginerrrd 3y ago
      I don't buy that. Middlemen typically exist to solve some existing market inefficiency, or they exist through corruption and regulatory capture. The latter is a huge problem, but it's not THE problem. Ballooning administration seems to REALLY be the problem all over the place. But... Why is that?
  • eli_gottlieb 3y ago
    Administrators, to stop us academics from doing our jobs too productively. >That pretty much answers the question of why we don’t have teleportation devices or antigravity shoes. Common sense suggests that if you want to maximize scientific creativity, you find some bright people, give them the resources they need to pursue whatever idea comes into their heads, and then leave them alone. Most will turn up nothing, but one or two may well discover something. But if you want to minimize the possibility of unexpected breakthroughs, tell those same people they will receive no resources at all unless they spend the bulk of their time competing against each other to convince you they know in advance what they are going to discover. https://thebaffler.com/salvos/of-flying-cars-and-the-declining-rate-of-profit https://thebaffler.com/salvos/of-flying-cars-and-the-declini...
    • Jiro 3y ago
      We don't have teleportation devices or antigravity shoes because making those things is not possible, and you can't make impossible things possible by throwing money at them. And of course this becomes worse if you're using other people's money. If you're throwing your own money at an impossible task, you'll run out (or your investors will run out). If you're collecting the money as taxes and then throwing it at the impossible task, you can waste as much of it as you want. If you're telling people "do this impossible task or I shoot you", you end up doing a lot of shooting and not much teleporting.
      • nickpeterson 3y ago
        You sound like a paid shill for big gravity.
      • hdb73hdhheu 3y ago
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      • eli_gottlieb 3y ago
        That doesn't seem like a remotely good reason to pay loads of money to administrators in Antigravity Logistical Inclusion Tracking while the PhD students in quantum gravity can't afford rent.
  • artursapek 3y ago
    Many big universities are basically hedge funds disguised as schools, these days
  • RajT88 3y ago
    Tearing down buildings which millions of dollars were spent on, to put up new buildings which they spend millions of dollars on. Often the old buildings were not that old at all! They just no longer project the kind of prestige the university thinks is needed to persuade students to enroll.
  • musicale 3y ago
    You basically answered it: it's going to non-teaching administrative staff, facilities/construction, and other random expenses. Some of the administrative bloat is for regulatory compliance, but most of it seems to be driven by the expansionist tendencies of bureaucratic organizations. Oddly enough there actually seems to be less administrative/secretarial support for faculty, while student mental health remains a problem that doesn't seem to be addressed adequately.
• JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Then you get required to take an ethics class as part of your degree My state university ethics professor published their own book, and required an extra-credit assignment be turned in from a tear out at the end of the book.
  • xp84 3y ago
    I hope this is parody
  • dotancohen 3y ago
    Sounds like a lesson you will never forget - and you even share it with other people. In a sense, that is a good lesson and a job well done by the professor.
• aaplok 3y ago
  I'm not sure lecturers profit off textbooks. What you are witnessing is more likely indifference and hubris from the academics than a deliberate strategy to extract more money out of students. This doesn't make it less unethical, but unless it's a textbook they themselves authored, it's probably not a conflict of interest.
  • xp84 3y ago
    It’s in the interest of all professors collectively (including those who hope to be real professors someday) to prop up the problematic idea that a book ought to cost $400+ just because it’s a textbook, because professors write textbooks, no one involved in selecting books or publishing them has any incentive to keep the costs reasonable.
    • aaplok 3y ago
      > no one involved in selecting books or publishing them has any incentive to keep the costs reasonable. There is an difference in having no incentive to keep costs down and having an incentive to keep costs up. Some professors are simply indifferent to their students' plights. As far as these professors are concerned their students are just an inconvenient bleep in their oh-so-important life. Extracting money from them is not on their radar. The vast majority of professors don't write textbooks. In fact there are probably a lot more profs who do care, and assign open books, or no books at all, than professors who make a living writing textbooks.
      • xp84 3y ago
        > difference in having no incentive to keep costs down and having an incentive to keep costs up. Sure, but the only interested parties here presently are: - students - publishers - professors (a few of which "author" or "customize" textbooks and stand to profit) Students have zero power, publishers have every incentive to increase prices, and most professors don't get involved because like you said, it's not really relevant to them personally. I agree that if a significant contingent of professors and lecturers essentially started boycotting the "textbook" industry, by using and contributing to "open source" books, or at least authoring or collaborating to author content that they give to their students at no cost, that would amount to applying pressure to the exploitatative business model.
• justinclift 3y ago
  > Universities hold themselves up as virtuous. That's just marketing. For a lot of degrees it's effectively a version of child care for people out of high school. That some people manage to learn something meanwhile almost seems accidental. I kind of think that 2/3 of university students would be better served to instead do an apprenticeship in the trades. eg: Plumber, electrician, and similar