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He's a citizen there, and his family is there. His children only know Russia as home. Also, there's the tin foil hat point: would Russia let him leave? As lon

He's a citizen there, and his family is there. His children only know Russia as home. Also, there's the tin foil hat point: would Russia let him leave? As long as he hasn't received a pardon, there's literally no reason for him to leave.

toyg 3y ago
If Putin wanted to let him leave, he would have left already. He's effectively a sort of hostage.
- netsharc 3y ago
  Are you sure he would have left? Going to any US-friendly country (or ones that will buckle under their pressure) gives him a high chance of getting arrested and extradited to the US, or he could suffer the Assange treatment from the inhumane Brits. So it seems there are 2 locks keeping him in the "prison".
  - abracadaniel 3y ago
    He said he wasn’t headed to Russia initially, but his passport was revoked while he was there. If he has a Russian passport now, there’s no obvious reason he couldn’t go to his original destination.
    - netsharc 3y ago
      Wikipedia says he was going to a Latin American country, but "while he was aboard the plane [to Moscow], his destination countries grew reluctant to allow him in, and Snowden was thus stuck in the transit area of Moscow Sheremetyevo International Airport." but there is no citation. Funnily enough he only got the Russian passport many years later, and if I were to speculate, even if he was free to leave, he probably saw after those few years that Moscow was fine and safe enough to live in that he stopped considering leaving, especially if there was a risk of getting CIA'ed in another country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden_asylum_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden_asylum_in_Russi...
      - toyg 3y ago
        > he only got the Russian passport many years later, [...] he probably saw after those few years that Moscow was fine and safe enough to live in The years he spent passport-less IMHO signaled that the regime considered him a hostage of sort - as others said, a chip that could be spent later on. This might have changed since, but we don't really know if granting him that passport required some sort of deal about not leaving. I wouldn't even assume he lives in Moscow, tbh; at various points he posted pictures showing he was travelling to pretty far-flung places IIRC. If his threat model is "not getting CIA'd", I reckon a less-known city with fewer foreigners, where an external operative would stand out more, would suit him better.
    - DANmode 3y ago
      The people seeking to collect him illegally grounded the planes of other nation's leaders to look for him. That seems like the reason you're missing.
- DANmode 3y ago
  Though they likely surveil him quite closely, I feel that, without further (compelling, even circumstantial) evidence, it is unlikely they feel any sort of need to keep him.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    If I were Putin, I'd keep Snowden as some sort of bargaining chip, although as years go on, Snowden's value as such a chip would continue to decrease that the Americans would probably refuse that barter, preferring to see Putin get screwed rather than to capture Snowden. But if I were Snowden I'd be worried about the regime after Putin, imagine a backroom deal where the US government secretly says "We'll help you get to power in Moscow if you agree to withdraw out of Ukraine, and give us Snowden."
    - hollerith 3y ago
      Sure, there is that, but also any Russian administration will want the employees of their enemies to feel safe defecting to Russia. I.e., if the Kremlin gives Snowden to the US, future employees of the US intelligence community become less likely to choose to switch their allegiance to the Russian side.
    - DANmode 3y ago
      Happy to have as a chip? Sure. Willing to be shown making effort to that end? That is different.
- elgatito 3y ago
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sneak 3y ago
There is also the issue that it seems safe to assume that many people at the CIA etc consider him a traitor and would like to assassinate him, given the opportunity, even if he could be assured of immunity from prosecution. In his position I'd never set foot in the USA or a USA-friendly place ever again, and I'd just have my frozen pizza rolls and hot pockets flown in.
- roqi 3y ago
  > There is also the issue that it seems safe to assume that many people at the CIA etc consider him a traitor and would like to assassinate him, given the opportunity, even if he could be assured of immunity from prosecution. The US is known for supporting or conducting extrajudicial executions, but they all served a very specific geostrategic and geopolitic goal. There isn't a single case of a political assassination case conducted out of spite, such as the one in the conspiracy theory you fabricated. There is also no goal to achieve, or win to be had, or position to be improved by assassinating Snowden. Snowden's relevance ended a long time ago. In fact, any of those conspiracy theories would represent an unequivocal loss for the US. If anything, the CIA would be involved in protecting Snowden in the US from the likes of Russia to avoid a false flag assassination to embarrass the US.
  - DoItToMe81 3y ago
    They plotted to poison Assange, literally just out of spite, so you are wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/30/poison-julian-assange-ithaka-ecuador-embassy-wikileaks-father https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/30/poison-julian-a... https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/sep/27/senior-cia-officials-trump-discussed-assassinating-julian-assange https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/sep/27/senior-cia-off...
    - credit_guy 3y ago
      Assassinating a non-US citizen (Asange) outside of the US borders is something that the CIA does from time to time. Conducting operations within the US borders is not cool for them [1], and killing US citizens doubly so. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_S...

toyg 3y ago

If Putin wanted to let him leave, he would have left already. He's effectively a sort of hostage.

netsharc 3y ago
Are you sure he would have left? Going to any US-friendly country (or ones that will buckle under their pressure) gives him a high chance of getting arrested and extradited to the US, or he could suffer the Assange treatment from the inhumane Brits. So it seems there are 2 locks keeping him in the "prison".
- abracadaniel 3y ago
  He said he wasn’t headed to Russia initially, but his passport was revoked while he was there. If he has a Russian passport now, there’s no obvious reason he couldn’t go to his original destination.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    Wikipedia says he was going to a Latin American country, but "while he was aboard the plane [to Moscow], his destination countries grew reluctant to allow him in, and Snowden was thus stuck in the transit area of Moscow Sheremetyevo International Airport." but there is no citation. Funnily enough he only got the Russian passport many years later, and if I were to speculate, even if he was free to leave, he probably saw after those few years that Moscow was fine and safe enough to live in that he stopped considering leaving, especially if there was a risk of getting CIA'ed in another country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden_asylum_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden_asylum_in_Russi...
    - toyg 3y ago
      > he only got the Russian passport many years later, [...] he probably saw after those few years that Moscow was fine and safe enough to live in The years he spent passport-less IMHO signaled that the regime considered him a hostage of sort - as others said, a chip that could be spent later on. This might have changed since, but we don't really know if granting him that passport required some sort of deal about not leaving. I wouldn't even assume he lives in Moscow, tbh; at various points he posted pictures showing he was travelling to pretty far-flung places IIRC. If his threat model is "not getting CIA'd", I reckon a less-known city with fewer foreigners, where an external operative would stand out more, would suit him better.
  - DANmode 3y ago
    The people seeking to collect him illegally grounded the planes of other nation's leaders to look for him. That seems like the reason you're missing.
DANmode 3y ago
Though they likely surveil him quite closely, I feel that, without further (compelling, even circumstantial) evidence, it is unlikely they feel any sort of need to keep him.
- netsharc 3y ago
  If I were Putin, I'd keep Snowden as some sort of bargaining chip, although as years go on, Snowden's value as such a chip would continue to decrease that the Americans would probably refuse that barter, preferring to see Putin get screwed rather than to capture Snowden. But if I were Snowden I'd be worried about the regime after Putin, imagine a backroom deal where the US government secretly says "We'll help you get to power in Moscow if you agree to withdraw out of Ukraine, and give us Snowden."
  - hollerith 3y ago
    Sure, there is that, but also any Russian administration will want the employees of their enemies to feel safe defecting to Russia. I.e., if the Kremlin gives Snowden to the US, future employees of the US intelligence community become less likely to choose to switch their allegiance to the Russian side.
  - DANmode 3y ago
    Happy to have as a chip? Sure. Willing to be shown making effort to that end? That is different.
elgatito 3y ago
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sneak 3y ago

There is also the issue that it seems safe to assume that many people at the CIA etc consider him a traitor and would like to assassinate him, given the opportunity, even if he could be assured of immunity from prosecution. In his position I'd never set foot in the USA or a USA-friendly place ever again, and I'd just have my frozen pizza rolls and hot pockets flown in.

roqi 3y ago
> There is also the issue that it seems safe to assume that many people at the CIA etc consider him a traitor and would like to assassinate him, given the opportunity, even if he could be assured of immunity from prosecution. The US is known for supporting or conducting extrajudicial executions, but they all served a very specific geostrategic and geopolitic goal. There isn't a single case of a political assassination case conducted out of spite, such as the one in the conspiracy theory you fabricated. There is also no goal to achieve, or win to be had, or position to be improved by assassinating Snowden. Snowden's relevance ended a long time ago. In fact, any of those conspiracy theories would represent an unequivocal loss for the US. If anything, the CIA would be involved in protecting Snowden in the US from the likes of Russia to avoid a false flag assassination to embarrass the US.
- DoItToMe81 3y ago
  They plotted to poison Assange, literally just out of spite, so you are wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/30/poison-julian-assange-ithaka-ecuador-embassy-wikileaks-father https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jun/30/poison-julian-a... https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/sep/27/senior-cia-officials-trump-discussed-assassinating-julian-assange https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/sep/27/senior-cia-off...
  - credit_guy 3y ago
    Assassinating a non-US citizen (Asange) outside of the US borders is something that the CIA does from time to time. Conducting operations within the US borders is not cool for them [1], and killing US citizens doubly so. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_S...