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Thats the main reason i moved my code away from github and am advising clients to follow suit. It boggles the mind that we have to actively police against ip th

Thats the main reason i moved my code away from github and am advising clients to follow suit. It boggles the mind that we have to actively police against ip theft by formerly reputable corporations but here we are.

capableweb 3y ago
> formerly reputable corporations I'm sorry but when was Microsoft ever reputable? They have a long history (and reputation) of being merciless in every single way they can, and have for as long as I can remember.
- hakre 3y ago
  A cooperation is never reputable. It is easier to reason with a dog than with a cooperation. However, me thinks this relates to the times before Github became an offering by Microsoft. But the deal was just too hard to miss, getting this massive army of minion coders who all pray to the octocat and now do the Balmers dance. Oh so much fun, now it turns out, that all feed the new AI overlords.
  - Y_Y 3y ago
    Developers developers developers developers
  - atq2119 3y ago
    That misspelling of "corporation" severely breaks the meaning you almost certainly intended.
    - hakre 3y ago
      oh snap, too late to edit ... you are absolutely right.
- ethbr0 3y ago
  I think 90s Microsoft could have something of a claim. It made a lot of sharp business choices in that decade, but it also left a LOT of money on the table for developers, as part of a strategic goal to grow the platform. Then the 00s came, platform growth slowed (because they were already running on everything desktop), and the "vs linux" decisions started coming.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    Eh, I wouldn't say the say they handled the whole DR-DOS saga very reputably. And in 2001 they came to within an inch of their life in US v. Microsoft, a litigation mainly based on anticompetitive practices from the 90s. Microsoft was disreputable in the 90s to the point they were almost broken up several times.
    - rascul 3y ago
      Microsoft's battle against Netscape (which is also part of the show Valley of the Boom), and the Halloween documents, are two more examples.
      - ethbr0 3y ago
        It bleeds over into ethics at some point. Microsoft in the DOS days was still fighting hard for market. Microsoft in the Netscape days? Eh... less of a competitive claim. Post ~2005? No claim. For me, the definition of "reputable" changes when you're a competitor among equals vs when you're a monopoly.
        rascul 3y ago
        They were a monopoly since the '90s.
  - aio2 3y ago
    Okay, maybe 90s MS could've, but I have a feeling that's 30 years ago.
- erikerikson 3y ago
  GitHub wasn't always owned by Microsoft. Please note I am not attempting to address the reputability of GitHub pre-acquisition. That is a separate matter.
- pydry 3y ago
  >I'm sorry but when was Microsoft ever reputable? They went on an open source charm offensive a few years ago. "Oh, we've turned over a new leaf" etc. A lot of people believed that they'd had a legitimate change in heart because of the change in strategy. More realistically, Linux had driven them into near irrelevance in the server market and just pushed them from "extinguish" or "extend" to "embrace". Their dubious anti-Linux tactics via leaning on OEMs in the desktop market remained more or less unchanged.
  - chrsig 3y ago
    > More realistically, Linux had driven them into near irrelevance in the server market and just pushed them from "extinguish" or "extend" to "embrace". and with vscode, copilot, and wsl2 they're doing a terrifyingly good job :-/ I really hope people don't let their guard down.
- tester756 3y ago
  Define reputable. They're still probably the most indirectly trusted company on the earth Why? because almost all enterprises do run some non-trivial amount of MS code Either Windows, Azure / Azure AD or AD at all, Teams/Outlook, VS Code, or anything else. And please, let's do not start arguing that some startup made of 30 people uses Macs only.
  - waynecochran 3y ago
    Anybody who was a programmer through the 1980's knows the anti-competitive practices that MS used to destroy many up-and-comers. They essentially were a dam on technological progress by coercing the world to use a non-protected single-tasking OS when we could have easily been using pre-emptive multitasking OSes on the hardware of the day.
- tessierashpool 3y ago
  GP said: Thats the main reason i moved my code away from github and am advising clients to follow suit. It boggles the mind that we have to actively police against ip theft by formerly reputable corporations but here we are. you said: I'm sorry but when was Microsoft ever reputable? nobody said Microsoft had ever been reputable. GitHub is the formerly reputable corporation here. GP comment doesn't even make sense without that.
Zemtomo 3y ago
IP theft? Just code is not an IP. Your product or a specific algorithm is. And in my opinion patent on algorithm should be illegal. There.is no inherent problem hosting Code on GitHub. You are not doing a good job if you move companies away from working setups due to this. And they haven't had high security requirements anyway because everyone else normally hosts GitHub Enterprise or gitlab themselfs
- Zemtomo 3y ago
  I'm always surprised that there are always people in hn liking software patents. But sure have your opinion but at least try to bring your issue actoss
  - sebzim4500 3y ago
    I don't think anyone on HN likes software patents but god damn do they love copyright of code.
SpaghettiX 3y ago
What alternatives do you recommend, and why?
- waynecochran 3y ago
  A private instance of gitlab on a private server works.
sneak 3y ago
Microsoft providing software and services to organizations running concentration camps in Texas is why I stopped using GitHub.
- waynecochran 3y ago
  Care to elaborate?
api 3y ago
Many SaaS companies probably double dip by monetizing customer data in various ways. Good luck even knowing if it’s happening and if you do figure it out I’m sure the EULA will be properly one sided. Can you imagine how much intel Google Docs, GMail, Salesforce, Profitwell, etc have about company performance and plans? I’m sure nobody is using any of that data to insider trade, to give just one example. Nobody would do that.

capableweb 3y ago

> formerly reputable corporations I'm sorry but when was Microsoft ever reputable? They have a long history (and reputation) of being merciless in every single way they can, and have for as long as I can remember.

hakre 3y ago
A cooperation is never reputable. It is easier to reason with a dog than with a cooperation. However, me thinks this relates to the times before Github became an offering by Microsoft. But the deal was just too hard to miss, getting this massive army of minion coders who all pray to the octocat and now do the Balmers dance. Oh so much fun, now it turns out, that all feed the new AI overlords.
- Y_Y 3y ago
  Developers developers developers developers
- atq2119 3y ago
  That misspelling of "corporation" severely breaks the meaning you almost certainly intended.
  - hakre 3y ago
    oh snap, too late to edit ... you are absolutely right.
ethbr0 3y ago
I think 90s Microsoft could have something of a claim. It made a lot of sharp business choices in that decade, but it also left a LOT of money on the table for developers, as part of a strategic goal to grow the platform. Then the 00s came, platform growth slowed (because they were already running on everything desktop), and the "vs linux" decisions started coming.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
  Eh, I wouldn't say the say they handled the whole DR-DOS saga very reputably. And in 2001 they came to within an inch of their life in US v. Microsoft, a litigation mainly based on anticompetitive practices from the 90s. Microsoft was disreputable in the 90s to the point they were almost broken up several times.
  - rascul 3y ago
    Microsoft's battle against Netscape (which is also part of the show Valley of the Boom), and the Halloween documents, are two more examples.
    - ethbr0 3y ago
      It bleeds over into ethics at some point. Microsoft in the DOS days was still fighting hard for market. Microsoft in the Netscape days? Eh... less of a competitive claim. Post ~2005? No claim. For me, the definition of "reputable" changes when you're a competitor among equals vs when you're a monopoly.
      - rascul 3y ago
        They were a monopoly since the '90s.
- aio2 3y ago
  Okay, maybe 90s MS could've, but I have a feeling that's 30 years ago.
erikerikson 3y ago
GitHub wasn't always owned by Microsoft. Please note I am not attempting to address the reputability of GitHub pre-acquisition. That is a separate matter.
pydry 3y ago
>I'm sorry but when was Microsoft ever reputable? They went on an open source charm offensive a few years ago. "Oh, we've turned over a new leaf" etc. A lot of people believed that they'd had a legitimate change in heart because of the change in strategy. More realistically, Linux had driven them into near irrelevance in the server market and just pushed them from "extinguish" or "extend" to "embrace". Their dubious anti-Linux tactics via leaning on OEMs in the desktop market remained more or less unchanged.
- chrsig 3y ago
  > More realistically, Linux had driven them into near irrelevance in the server market and just pushed them from "extinguish" or "extend" to "embrace". and with vscode, copilot, and wsl2 they're doing a terrifyingly good job :-/ I really hope people don't let their guard down.
tester756 3y ago
Define reputable. They're still probably the most indirectly trusted company on the earth Why? because almost all enterprises do run some non-trivial amount of MS code Either Windows, Azure / Azure AD or AD at all, Teams/Outlook, VS Code, or anything else. And please, let's do not start arguing that some startup made of 30 people uses Macs only.
- waynecochran 3y ago
  Anybody who was a programmer through the 1980's knows the anti-competitive practices that MS used to destroy many up-and-comers. They essentially were a dam on technological progress by coercing the world to use a non-protected single-tasking OS when we could have easily been using pre-emptive multitasking OSes on the hardware of the day.
tessierashpool 3y ago
GP said: Thats the main reason i moved my code away from github and am advising clients to follow suit. It boggles the mind that we have to actively police against ip theft by formerly reputable corporations but here we are. you said: I'm sorry but when was Microsoft ever reputable? nobody said Microsoft had ever been reputable. GitHub is the formerly reputable corporation here. GP comment doesn't even make sense without that.

Zemtomo 3y ago

IP theft? Just code is not an IP. Your product or a specific algorithm is. And in my opinion patent on algorithm should be illegal. There.is no inherent problem hosting Code on GitHub. You are not doing a good job if you move companies away from working setups due to this. And they haven't had high security requirements anyway because everyone else normally hosts GitHub Enterprise or gitlab themselfs

Zemtomo 3y ago
I'm always surprised that there are always people in hn liking software patents. But sure have your opinion but at least try to bring your issue actoss
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  I don't think anyone on HN likes software patents but god damn do they love copyright of code.

SpaghettiX 3y ago

What alternatives do you recommend, and why?

waynecochran 3y ago
A private instance of gitlab on a private server works.

sneak 3y ago

Microsoft providing software and services to organizations running concentration camps in Texas is why I stopped using GitHub.

waynecochran 3y ago
Care to elaborate?

api 3y ago

Many SaaS companies probably double dip by monetizing customer data in various ways. Good luck even knowing if it’s happening and if you do figure it out I’m sure the EULA will be properly one sided. Can you imagine how much intel Google Docs, GMail, Salesforce, Profitwell, etc have about company performance and plans? I’m sure nobody is using any of that data to insider trade, to give just one example. Nobody would do that.