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To be honest, out of all the FAANG, I think Apple still mostly holds true to it's original promise of trying to make the world better. Do I think they're perfe

To be honest, out of all the FAANG, I think Apple still mostly holds true to it's original promise of trying to make the world better. Do I think they're perfect, absolutely not, not even close. But compared to Google, Amazon and Facebook (which IMO just seem like total and utter nightmare fuel freak shows), they just seem sane, trustworthy and purposeful to me. Netflix, I'm fairly neutral about, I just think their products and their shows are absolutely shit so I plan to cancel my subscription soon, I don't feel strongly about it.

tudorw 3y ago
If they wanted to make the world better, they'd build what people want and need, not what they will buy.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  What do people want and need? Personally, I don't own an Apple product I don't constantly get value out of. Whether it's a 10+ year old Macbook Pro, iPhone or an Apple Watch. I'd never trust anything but iCloud with anything I'd like to keep private. Meta? lol not a freaking chance in hell.
  - tudorw 3y ago
    open source, long termism, transparency, interoperability, one login, no monitoring of personal data without control, no walled garden, no dark patterns, no weasel words, unions, basic respect for human rights, good ESG, that sort of thing :)
    - api 3y ago
      They can’t build that. Nobody else can either. Nobody will pay for it. People will generally only pay for things that make them pay by being closed. So we can’t have nice open completely free (as in freedom) things because there is no way to finance their creation.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      You can have both, I'm also an avid Linux user and advocate.
1023bytes 3y ago
Apple devices are luxury products, not necessities. Sure, they may make your life marginally better, but it's nothing world changing
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  iPhones aren't world changing?
  - 1023bytes 3y ago
    $80 Android phones are world changing
  - maest 3y ago
    Mobile phones in general were world changing. iPhones, on their own, not so much.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      The iPhone literally created the smartphone/mobile market and killed off flip phones, where Windows Phone, Blackberry, Palm, et al. all failed to do so.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Android was already going to happen if the iPhone never came out; that said, Apple's influence over the direction of the devices probably killed Flash on the web in general, and made it both easy, cheap, and a viable business strategy to develop mobile apps… but Google may have done the same on both anyway and for similar reasons. That they killed off Blackberry and Windows Phone is impressive from a business standpoint, but which fruit the phones have as a logo probably didn't change the world all that much.
      - yakireev 3y ago
        I owned an ipaq hx4700 in 2004, two years before the first iPhone came out. Take a look, that device was actually better than early iPhones. The screen was better, the specs were better. It even supported 3rd-party apps (and there were many), while early iPhones did not have app store at all. Apple is very good at marketing, but they did not invent the concept of PDA (that's how these devices were called back then) with the iPhone - they just came up with a yet another PDA which was decent, and were very good at marketing.
wittycardio 3y ago
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gregoriol 3y ago
"promise of trying to make the world better" it what their marketing teams wants you to believe, and they are quite good
ksec 3y ago
>I think Apple still mostly holds true to it's original promise of trying to make the world better. Not by a wide margin. Steve Job's Apple and Tim Cook's Apple is very different. To the point I would even argue you might as well call it a different company. At least the "Better World" in Tim Cook's view is very different to Steve Jobs's "Better World". The message Tim Cook is sending in its PR and marketing is very different to the message Steve Jobs is trying to tell/sell.

tudorw 3y ago

If they wanted to make the world better, they'd build what people want and need, not what they will buy.

ChatGTP 3y ago
What do people want and need? Personally, I don't own an Apple product I don't constantly get value out of. Whether it's a 10+ year old Macbook Pro, iPhone or an Apple Watch. I'd never trust anything but iCloud with anything I'd like to keep private. Meta? lol not a freaking chance in hell.
- tudorw 3y ago
  open source, long termism, transparency, interoperability, one login, no monitoring of personal data without control, no walled garden, no dark patterns, no weasel words, unions, basic respect for human rights, good ESG, that sort of thing :)
  - api 3y ago
    They can’t build that. Nobody else can either. Nobody will pay for it. People will generally only pay for things that make them pay by being closed. So we can’t have nice open completely free (as in freedom) things because there is no way to finance their creation.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    You can have both, I'm also an avid Linux user and advocate.

1023bytes 3y ago

Apple devices are luxury products, not necessities. Sure, they may make your life marginally better, but it's nothing world changing

ChatGTP 3y ago
iPhones aren't world changing?
- 1023bytes 3y ago
  $80 Android phones are world changing
- maest 3y ago
  Mobile phones in general were world changing. iPhones, on their own, not so much.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    The iPhone literally created the smartphone/mobile market and killed off flip phones, where Windows Phone, Blackberry, Palm, et al. all failed to do so.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Android was already going to happen if the iPhone never came out; that said, Apple's influence over the direction of the devices probably killed Flash on the web in general, and made it both easy, cheap, and a viable business strategy to develop mobile apps… but Google may have done the same on both anyway and for similar reasons. That they killed off Blackberry and Windows Phone is impressive from a business standpoint, but which fruit the phones have as a logo probably didn't change the world all that much.
    - yakireev 3y ago
      I owned an ipaq hx4700 in 2004, two years before the first iPhone came out. Take a look, that device was actually better than early iPhones. The screen was better, the specs were better. It even supported 3rd-party apps (and there were many), while early iPhones did not have app store at all. Apple is very good at marketing, but they did not invent the concept of PDA (that's how these devices were called back then) with the iPhone - they just came up with a yet another PDA which was decent, and were very good at marketing.

wittycardio 3y ago

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gregoriol 3y ago

"promise of trying to make the world better" it what their marketing teams wants you to believe, and they are quite good

ksec 3y ago

>I think Apple still mostly holds true to it's original promise of trying to make the world better. Not by a wide margin. Steve Job's Apple and Tim Cook's Apple is very different. To the point I would even argue you might as well call it a different company. At least the "Better World" in Tim Cook's view is very different to Steve Jobs's "Better World". The message Tim Cook is sending in its PR and marketing is very different to the message Steve Jobs is trying to tell/sell.