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The liability problem is important here - when someone reverses over a toddler, someone gets sued. Or they lose their license. Or $CONSEQUENCE. What's the cons

by shash 3y ago

The liability problem is important here - when someone reverses over a toddler, someone gets sued. Or they lose their license. Or $CONSEQUENCE. What's the consequence in an autonomous vehicle? Does only _that_ vehicle lose its license? Does every vehicle with that particular revision of the ML model? The whole fleet? The next problem is, you're assuming that the autonomous vehicle is going to be _better_ than the human; it may have more information, may be faster in its response time, but maybe in a chaotic environment, that doesn't translate into drastically improved safety. Unless of course, _everything_ on the road is self-driving (meaning, zero pedestrians, zero other vehicles, no animals,...) which is going to run into chicken-egg...

chii 3y ago
> you're assuming that the autonomous vehicle is going to be _better_ than the human i think this is already proven true empiracally with the existing milage and rates of accidents. https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/accident-rate-for-tesla-80-lower-than-us-average-with-fsd/ https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/accident-rate-for-tesla-80-l... (or from here https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/tesla-says-its-autonomous-systems-are-safer-than-a-human-but-is-it-really-so/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/tesla-says-its-autonomous-..., which quotes various sources of data, unless tesla is lying about their FSD data they reported). Humans just don't believe in autodriving, and there's still the problem of liability assignment - both aren't a technology problem imho, but a human impediment to adoption.
- wartijn_ 3y ago
  That’s not data about autonomous vehicles. Tesla’s fsd is a feature where the car drives itself during some parts of a trip. The driver is always supposed to keep paying attention and sometimes take over control. To show that autonomous cars are better drivers than humans you need data from autonomous cars in the same situation as human drivers. And that data doesn’t exist (yet), because truly autonomous cars don’t drive in all places and situations where humans do.
- shash 3y ago
  The second of your links says "According to the folks over at Jalopnik though, the bar for “safer than a human” is probably a lot higher than one might guess. In fact, after crunching numbers from the NHTSA, it seems as though drivers avoid crashes 99.999819 percent of the time. If Tesla’s data is to be believed, it’s already surpassed that." Are you even making a statistically significant comparison at this point? And there are these also: https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/25/23737972/tesla-whistleblower-leak-fsd-complaints-self-driving https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/25/23737972/tesla-whistleblo... Quite apart from the fact that this isn't actual self-driving that's being measured (as sibling points out).

by shash 3y ago

chii 3y ago

> you're assuming that the autonomous vehicle is going to be _better_ than the human i think this is already proven true empiracally with the existing milage and rates of accidents. https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/accident-rate-for-tesla-80-lower-than-us-average-with-fsd/ https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/accident-rate-for-tesla-80-l... (or from here https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/tesla-says-its-autonomous-systems-are-safer-than-a-human-but-is-it-really-so/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/tesla-says-its-autonomous-..., which quotes various sources of data, unless tesla is lying about their FSD data they reported). Humans just don't believe in autodriving, and there's still the problem of liability assignment - both aren't a technology problem imho, but a human impediment to adoption.

wartijn_ 3y ago
That’s not data about autonomous vehicles. Tesla’s fsd is a feature where the car drives itself during some parts of a trip. The driver is always supposed to keep paying attention and sometimes take over control. To show that autonomous cars are better drivers than humans you need data from autonomous cars in the same situation as human drivers. And that data doesn’t exist (yet), because truly autonomous cars don’t drive in all places and situations where humans do.
shash 3y ago
The second of your links says "According to the folks over at Jalopnik though, the bar for “safer than a human” is probably a lot higher than one might guess. In fact, after crunching numbers from the NHTSA, it seems as though drivers avoid crashes 99.999819 percent of the time. If Tesla’s data is to be believed, it’s already surpassed that." Are you even making a statistically significant comparison at this point? And there are these also: https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/25/23737972/tesla-whistleblower-leak-fsd-complaints-self-driving https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/25/23737972/tesla-whistleblo... Quite apart from the fact that this isn't actual self-driving that's being measured (as sibling points out).