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Also humans do sometimes do use additional senses when driving. For example I've had to make a left turn at a T intersection onto the cross street, where I had
by tzs 3y ago
Also humans do sometimes do use additional senses when driving. For example I've had to make a left turn at a T intersection onto the cross street, where I had a stop sign and the cross traffic did not.
This was in California's central valley where it can get very foggy making it very hard to see traffic until it was almost in the intersection.
It was a quiet rural area though and by opening the windows on both sides and turning off the radio I could hear traffic quite a bit before I could see it. I'd sit at the stop listening until I'd heard a car or two go by to be sure that it was quiet enough that I could hear them. Once I'd calibrated my senses to that day's current conditions I was able to make the turn.
- tshaddox 3y agoBut to be fair, that’s just because you couldn’t easily see in that direction. Presumably a Tesla’s cameras can see in all directions. A better example would probably be hearing emergency sirens before there was any line of sight to the emergency vehicle.
- recursive 3y agoTesla cameras can't see through fog any better than eyes.
- zebomon 3y agoIs this true though? Earlier today mine picked up on emergency lights that were several hundred feet further away in traffic than I would have seen them. It seems able to enhance the images the cameras capture.
- GenerocUsername 3y agoCould also be aware of the position of fixed road equipment via mapping software. It's more plausible than the cameras having some kind of super vision.
- zebomon 3y agoIt was a police car, not something fixed. I would imagine that the Tesla has zoom built into its camera system, whereas human vision does not.
- judge2020 3y agoRealistically the training data contained some amount of emergency lights through fog, so it can identify faint emergency lights through fog as real emergency lights and will appropriately display the warning on-screen.
- GenerocUsername 3y agoAlso, WAZE and Google maps have had user reported speed traps for some time. So 1 Tesla driving by information the network of the police car and others do not need to observe it to know it's there
- sundvor 3y agoI think there's a reason why a new sensor suite is rumoured to be imminent. Much better cameras + radar? Key word being "Project Highland". It won't be a retrofit for older cars, which tells me current owners won't get to experience that next generation on FSD which will be possible. I never bought mine (Ryzen '22 LR3 with earlier gen radar, now disabled, plus USS - still in use fortunately) for the FSD anyway so I don't mind. I won't blame those who might do though! (This is presently all speculation/rumours until officially confirmed).
- judge2020 3y agoMust be out of the loop. HW4, which is higher resolution cameras and Phoenix HD Radar, has been in S/X for months and started showing up in (at least Fremont) Model Y's with a build date around May 25th. Highland has nothing to do with this, and Model 3 sales are still doing fine, so they don't need to drop anything yet to boost model 3 demand.
- rootusrootus 3y agoModel 3 currently has a $3000 discount to boost demand.
- judge2020 3y agoA 3k price drop shows they only need a little bit of a demand boost, especially since the discount is only on inventory cars. Highland will be a massive demand bump for them, since it being new likely pushes some Y purchasers to the 3.
- rootusrootus 3y agoIt's only 3k because of the newly available 7500 credit.
- v0idzer0 3y agoDropping prices doesn’t even have to be about demand. Lot of rivals like Lucid and Rivian struggling mightily in this market. You can pinch them out. You also may just want to share production efficiency gains with the customer for the same reason.
- Blahah 3y agoOf course they can. Fog doesn't block mid-IR.
- drno123 3y agoMWIR sensors are even more expensive than LIDAR, are military controlled and dofficult to export, and Tesla does not have them.
- snovv_crash 3y agoLidar can't see through fog either.
- cjohnson318 3y agoListening for cars in fog is great until a Prius comes along, and coastal areas of California is their natural habitat. But, yeah, if I had extra senses laying around, I'd use them for all sorts of things.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoI once placed a snot rocket on a Prius windshield from my bicycle. It snuck up on me. So I did the responsible thing and bailed into a neighborhood so I wouldn't have to look them in the eye. Quiet vehicles should emit a peace cry, and I should look before I rocket.
- alpaca128 3y agoAs a cyclist who once got that stuff in his face: yes, please look first. Expecting others to make a noise just in case they might get a bioweapon dumped on them is not nice.
- nemo44x 3y agoWait - are snot rockets a common thing for cyclists?!
- vibrio 3y ago…and they can get that much distance on their rockets?
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoNot usually. This Prius was practically in my armpit.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoAbsolutely, I was in the wrong. But if you're entering somebody's bubble, an "on your left" is also courteous.
- dieselgate 3y agoThat’s precisely the reason why busses and maybe other commercial vehicles must stop at railroad crossings before passing