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IIS takes almost all the profit in web servers though. /Asymco

bwarp 15y ago
And from 12 years of experience with it, delivers only soul crushing PAIN. Is it just me or the more you pay for software, the more it hurts you these days?
- cooldeal 15y ago
  As compared to what? The mind numbing Apache.conf? I am using and administering it from 6 years, seems pretty much okay to me if you use the .NET stack. If 18% of the top million sites are using it over completely free alternatives, they must be doing something right.
  - rhizome 15y ago
    Maybe it's because I've been using it for 15 years, but I have never thought of Apache's httpd.conf as mind-numbing. Sometimes the terminology is a little arcane, necessitating an extra few Google searches, but it's always been completely logical to me.
rbanffy 15y ago
And people stay with it because it would be so much pain to migrate to anything else. Just imagine rewriting all that VBScript code... That's mostly why companies kept IE6 for so long. edit: forgot the "burn, karma, burn" line...
- cooldeal 15y ago
  Yes, those legacy servers went from 57 million in Feb 2011 to 88 million in Feb 2012, all running VBScript. VBScript must be the hottest programming language, right? Netcraft confirms it.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    You know how it works. You already have a shop full of people trained to work your legacy apps, with their shiny MC* certifications, comfortable in their safe lifetime dead-end jobs... What do you think they'll do? Use the tools they have been using for a long time now or explain management (because they really don't decide anything) they need to learn to use better tools? Do you really think most MC* people are eager to move on to tools that make their certifications worthless? When they move, they do along Microsoft's designated path and rarely stray from it.
    - cooldeal 15y ago
      >Use the tools they have been using for a long time now or explain management (because they really don't decide anything) they need to learn to use better tools? Better tools like what? Maybe there are many people out there that think that ASP.NET/C#/MVC and Visual Studio are actually better tools for them? I know that could be an alien concept around these parts and for you but that doesn't make it any less true. Saying that they should discard their knowledge and move to Ruby/PHP/Node is as idiotic as saying Ruby developers should ditch Ruby and move to Visual Studio/C#/.NET since it might be one of the best platforms around. >Do you really think most MC* people are eager to move on to tools that make their certifications worthless? When they move, they do along Microsoft's designated path and rarely stray from it. Microsoft has been building up support for Python, PHP, Node and github. Anyway, the reality is nothing close to the dystopian light that you paint them in. The jobs are no more dead-end than Java or PHP or Ruby jobs. And no, sorry, VBScript is barely around in maybe in around 5% of companies running IIS, people have moved on to new technologies, unlike constant MS bashers who seem to be stuck atleast a decade back in their criticisms.
      - rbanffy 15y ago
        > Ruby developers should ditch Ruby and move to Visual Studio/C#/.NET since it might be one of the best platforms around Except that VS/C#/.NET isn't one of the best platforms around unless you code for Windows. And that's one more reason not to move to other platforms - because the tools they use don't support the alien technology as well as what they've been using. > The jobs are no more dead-end than Java or PHP or Ruby jobs. You obviously have a different idea of what constitutes a dead-end job. I imagine it's a job at a company that thinks of IT as a cost of doing business, something competitive advantages are not to be derived from. Those companies will not invest in new things until everybody else is doing it and hire the same kinds of professional other companies hire. They use certifications instead of interviews because then the whole hiring process can be done within HR. I've seen a lot of them. > VBScript is barely around in maybe in around 5% of companies running IIS I know it's not a thorough review, but I see plenty of .asp URLs around within corporate confines.
- matwood 15y ago
  Other than the odd exceptions, people staying on IIS has little to do with VBScript or other legacy code at this point. In the enterprise I would wager the two largest IIS hooks are .net and sharepoint, neither of which have anything to do with VBScript.

bwarp 15y ago

And from 12 years of experience with it, delivers only soul crushing PAIN. Is it just me or the more you pay for software, the more it hurts you these days?

cooldeal 15y ago
As compared to what? The mind numbing Apache.conf? I am using and administering it from 6 years, seems pretty much okay to me if you use the .NET stack. If 18% of the top million sites are using it over completely free alternatives, they must be doing something right.
- rhizome 15y ago
  Maybe it's because I've been using it for 15 years, but I have never thought of Apache's httpd.conf as mind-numbing. Sometimes the terminology is a little arcane, necessitating an extra few Google searches, but it's always been completely logical to me.

rbanffy 15y ago

And people stay with it because it would be so much pain to migrate to anything else. Just imagine rewriting all that VBScript code... That's mostly why companies kept IE6 for so long. edit: forgot the "burn, karma, burn" line...

cooldeal 15y ago
Yes, those legacy servers went from 57 million in Feb 2011 to 88 million in Feb 2012, all running VBScript. VBScript must be the hottest programming language, right? Netcraft confirms it.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  You know how it works. You already have a shop full of people trained to work your legacy apps, with their shiny MC* certifications, comfortable in their safe lifetime dead-end jobs... What do you think they'll do? Use the tools they have been using for a long time now or explain management (because they really don't decide anything) they need to learn to use better tools? Do you really think most MC* people are eager to move on to tools that make their certifications worthless? When they move, they do along Microsoft's designated path and rarely stray from it.
  - cooldeal 15y ago
    >Use the tools they have been using for a long time now or explain management (because they really don't decide anything) they need to learn to use better tools? Better tools like what? Maybe there are many people out there that think that ASP.NET/C#/MVC and Visual Studio are actually better tools for them? I know that could be an alien concept around these parts and for you but that doesn't make it any less true. Saying that they should discard their knowledge and move to Ruby/PHP/Node is as idiotic as saying Ruby developers should ditch Ruby and move to Visual Studio/C#/.NET since it might be one of the best platforms around. >Do you really think most MC* people are eager to move on to tools that make their certifications worthless? When they move, they do along Microsoft's designated path and rarely stray from it. Microsoft has been building up support for Python, PHP, Node and github. Anyway, the reality is nothing close to the dystopian light that you paint them in. The jobs are no more dead-end than Java or PHP or Ruby jobs. And no, sorry, VBScript is barely around in maybe in around 5% of companies running IIS, people have moved on to new technologies, unlike constant MS bashers who seem to be stuck atleast a decade back in their criticisms.
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      > Ruby developers should ditch Ruby and move to Visual Studio/C#/.NET since it might be one of the best platforms around Except that VS/C#/.NET isn't one of the best platforms around unless you code for Windows. And that's one more reason not to move to other platforms - because the tools they use don't support the alien technology as well as what they've been using. > The jobs are no more dead-end than Java or PHP or Ruby jobs. You obviously have a different idea of what constitutes a dead-end job. I imagine it's a job at a company that thinks of IT as a cost of doing business, something competitive advantages are not to be derived from. Those companies will not invest in new things until everybody else is doing it and hire the same kinds of professional other companies hire. They use certifications instead of interviews because then the whole hiring process can be done within HR. I've seen a lot of them. > VBScript is barely around in maybe in around 5% of companies running IIS I know it's not a thorough review, but I see plenty of .asp URLs around within corporate confines.
matwood 15y ago
Other than the odd exceptions, people staying on IIS has little to do with VBScript or other legacy code at this point. In the enterprise I would wager the two largest IIS hooks are .net and sharepoint, neither of which have anything to do with VBScript.