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It was clear by March 2020 when the passengers on the Diamond Princess were all locked down in their cabins and COVID didn't care at all, managing to infect peo

It was clear by March 2020 when the passengers on the Diamond Princess were all locked down in their cabins and COVID didn't care at all, managing to infect people all over the ship essentially at random. This is only possible if it is able to spread long distances via the air; if transmission were droplet or surface based that would have ended the outbreak immediately. Please don't cite the CDC for anything, they're utterly discredited.

JohnFen 3y ago
> they're utterly discredited. I see no reason to think that. Sure, mistakes were made (as is expected), but utterly discredited? That's a bit over the top.
- lesuorac 3y ago
  Not utterly discredited but definitely consider their press releases with the same amount of skepticism as a corporate press release. Like from now on, if they say "its not airborne" assume "it can transmit in the air" (i.e. droplets or by insects). If they say "there's no evidence of X" assume "We don't think X is false".
Scoundreller 3y ago
> were all locked down in their cabins and COVID didn't care at all, managing to infect people all over the ship essentially at random. I wonder how much of this could be explained by multiple day incubation times and an asymptomatic infection being spread to cabin-mates. > This is only possible if it is able to spread long distances via the air Or people infected others filtering in and out of the same close quarters that are poorly ventilated (e.g. elevators and public bathrooms). Doesn’t even require you to be in there at the same time if it can float around for a few hours. My (still valid) joke about the pandemic is to always be upwind of whomever you’re in contact with. 6’/2M apart didn’t matter.
- revelio 3y ago
  They weren't allowed out of their cabins iirc, so public bathrooms and elevators were not really relevant. It was almost certainly spreading through the ventilation system and possibly drainage systems.

JohnFen 3y ago

> they're utterly discredited. I see no reason to think that. Sure, mistakes were made (as is expected), but utterly discredited? That's a bit over the top.

lesuorac 3y ago
Not utterly discredited but definitely consider their press releases with the same amount of skepticism as a corporate press release. Like from now on, if they say "its not airborne" assume "it can transmit in the air" (i.e. droplets or by insects). If they say "there's no evidence of X" assume "We don't think X is false".

Scoundreller 3y ago

> were all locked down in their cabins and COVID didn't care at all, managing to infect people all over the ship essentially at random. I wonder how much of this could be explained by multiple day incubation times and an asymptomatic infection being spread to cabin-mates. > This is only possible if it is able to spread long distances via the air Or people infected others filtering in and out of the same close quarters that are poorly ventilated (e.g. elevators and public bathrooms). Doesn’t even require you to be in there at the same time if it can float around for a few hours. My (still valid) joke about the pandemic is to always be upwind of whomever you’re in contact with. 6’/2M apart didn’t matter.

revelio 3y ago
They weren't allowed out of their cabins iirc, so public bathrooms and elevators were not really relevant. It was almost certainly spreading through the ventilation system and possibly drainage systems.