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The drivers of poor US life expectancy is mostly guns and cars. Cars are the #1 killer of Americans between 5 and 45 (approximately). That doesn’t have much to

The drivers of poor US life expectancy is mostly guns and cars. Cars are the #1 killer of Americans between 5 and 45 (approximately). That doesn’t have much to do with the medical system.

andsoitis 3y ago
Leading causes of death in the US: https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death 10 of the leading 12 causes of death are diseases, with the first non-disease cause coming in at #4.
- shuckles 3y ago
  Someone dying a few years earlier than otherwise has a smaller impact on _life expectancy_ than someone dying young. Furthermore, the #1 cause is correlated with lifestyle factors which medical treatment has little control over. You can see the breakdown of life expectancy reducing factors here, none of which are attributable to "limited specialized treatment": https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low
- nradov 3y ago
  You missed the point. Cancer and heart disease primary kill people when they're already old. Treatment of those diseases, while important and necessary, doesn't impact average life expectancy much either way. Whereas fentanyl overdoses are now the leading cause of death for adults 18 - 45. That has a huge impact on average life expectancy because those people would have otherwise lived many more years. https://www.gbhoh.com/fentanyl-becomes-leading-cause-of-death-for-ages-18-45/ https://www.gbhoh.com/fentanyl-becomes-leading-cause-of-deat...
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    OK, here are the leading causes of dying at various age groups: https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_death_by_age_group_2018-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_dea... and unintentional injuries comprising: https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html I still fail to see cars and guns being the leading cause of death. Do you see something I don't?
    - nradov 3y ago
      Your information is outdated. The rate of accidental death among younger adults due to opioid poisonings has increased significantly in just the last few years. https://peterattiamd.com/anthonyhipolito/ https://peterattiamd.com/anthonyhipolito/ https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/02/fact-check-fentanyl-leading-cause-of-death-among-adults/65417990007/ https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/202...
      - andsoitis 3y ago
        > death among younger adults due to opioid poisonings The point under debate is guns and car accidents being asserted as the leading cause of death. I continue to assert it is not true.
        shuckles 3y ago
        My primary assertion was that life expectancy does not inform you about the quality of the US medical system. I focused on guns and cars, but adding opioids (and even lifestyle issues like obesity) doesn’t change my argument or the conclusion.

The drivers of poor US life expectancy is mostly guns and cars. Cars are the #1 killer of Americans between 5 and 45 (approximately). That doesn’t have much to do with the medical system.

andsoitis 3y ago

Leading causes of death in the US: https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death 10 of the leading 12 causes of death are diseases, with the first non-disease cause coming in at #4.

shuckles 3y ago
Someone dying a few years earlier than otherwise has a smaller impact on _life expectancy_ than someone dying young. Furthermore, the #1 cause is correlated with lifestyle factors which medical treatment has little control over. You can see the breakdown of life expectancy reducing factors here, none of which are attributable to "limited specialized treatment": https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low
nradov 3y ago
You missed the point. Cancer and heart disease primary kill people when they're already old. Treatment of those diseases, while important and necessary, doesn't impact average life expectancy much either way. Whereas fentanyl overdoses are now the leading cause of death for adults 18 - 45. That has a huge impact on average life expectancy because those people would have otherwise lived many more years. https://www.gbhoh.com/fentanyl-becomes-leading-cause-of-death-for-ages-18-45/ https://www.gbhoh.com/fentanyl-becomes-leading-cause-of-deat...
- andsoitis 3y ago
  OK, here are the leading causes of dying at various age groups: https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_death_by_age_group_2018-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_dea... and unintentional injuries comprising: https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leadingcauses.html I still fail to see cars and guns being the leading cause of death. Do you see something I don't?
  - nradov 3y ago
    Your information is outdated. The rate of accidental death among younger adults due to opioid poisonings has increased significantly in just the last few years. https://peterattiamd.com/anthonyhipolito/ https://peterattiamd.com/anthonyhipolito/ https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/10/02/fact-check-fentanyl-leading-cause-of-death-among-adults/65417990007/ https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/202...
    - andsoitis 3y ago
      > death among younger adults due to opioid poisonings The point under debate is guns and car accidents being asserted as the leading cause of death. I continue to assert it is not true.
      - shuckles 3y ago
        My primary assertion was that life expectancy does not inform you about the quality of the US medical system. I focused on guns and cars, but adding opioids (and even lifestyle issues like obesity) doesn’t change my argument or the conclusion.