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There's more to a job than the salary, and it can be reasonable for a company to leave salary ambiguous in order to make that sales pitch. Sometimes it's half t

There's more to a job than the salary, and it can be reasonable for a company to leave salary ambiguous in order to make that sales pitch. Sometimes it's half the company; sometimes it's a set of steak knives. And it's reasonable for an applicant to decide that they're all about the salary and don't want to waste time on the sales pitch, and move on.

VoodooJuJu 3y ago
For the working class (most applicants), we're here just for the salary. We're not here for prestige, or asslicking, or passion. We're here to put food on the table and to potentially build for our children a future where they don't have to sell their time for money.
potsandpans 3y ago
idk what you're talking about, I'm here to get paid.
throw9away6 3y ago
Are you the person on the dating site that refuses to post a photo as well?
- hirundo 3y ago
  Exactly. Some of us are ugly but still have a hope when face to face. That ambiguity gives us a chance at being a contender, to make the case that there's more to us. Is that unreasonable for an ugly person? I think its not, and its also not unreasonable for someone else to think "no picture, they're probably ugly and I'm all about the looks, so I'll pass."
  - 000ooo000 3y ago
    I think it might be a mistake to conflate business ethics with personal ethics. I have sympathy for individuals who through no fault of their own struggle in the dating scene; I have no sympathy for corporate entities in any regard.
    - throw9away6 3y ago
      Very few people struggle with dating through no fault of their own. Most people have actionable things that they can do to get a date just like most can find a job. But not everyone can get to the level of dating models or working at FANG companies. That requires done combination hard work and natural gift. If you don’t grind leetcode you won’t get that fang job, if you don’t grind social skills and status you won’t get that hot date.
  - throw9away6 3y ago
    The sometimes you can win on the face to face just like sometimes you can hire below market rates, but you are just wasting time on a site where other people do post photos and a high initial investment is required
austinshea 3y ago
I can agree that there's more to a job than the salary, and it's totally cool to negotiate. When you make the salary ambiguous in order to make your sales pitch, you are being unreasonable.
000ooo000 3y ago
"There's more to a job than the salary" is just rhetoric from those trying to justify bad salaries, often by implying intangibles are suitable substitutes for money. Imagine a candidate being so coy regarding their skillset. Hi, I'd like a job. Yes I know some programming, a good amount, don't worry about that.. but let's talk about my sense of humour. Would your business benefit from daily jokes? No? Ok what about my haircut, surely having this haircut in the office all day would be appealing? How about monthly I bring in some muffins my wife made?
jcpsimmons 3y ago
This is a real “drink the kool aid” take.
danwee 3y ago
> There's more to a job than the salary That only works for people who are earning a lot. I mean, for SV engineers there's probably a big difference between company A paying $350K/year with 10 days of vacation per year, and company B paying $300K/year with 30 days of vacation per year (I bet most would apply for company B, because the +$50K is not such a big difference). For the rest of the engineers in the world (99% of us), a salary of $80K/year vs $130K/year is big difference and I don't know who would go for a job that pays $50K less no matter the other perks (which, at least in Europe are quite standard, so there's not much to be picky about)

VoodooJuJu 3y ago

For the working class (most applicants), we're here just for the salary. We're not here for prestige, or asslicking, or passion. We're here to put food on the table and to potentially build for our children a future where they don't have to sell their time for money.

potsandpans 3y ago

idk what you're talking about, I'm here to get paid.

throw9away6 3y ago

Are you the person on the dating site that refuses to post a photo as well?

hirundo 3y ago
Exactly. Some of us are ugly but still have a hope when face to face. That ambiguity gives us a chance at being a contender, to make the case that there's more to us. Is that unreasonable for an ugly person? I think its not, and its also not unreasonable for someone else to think "no picture, they're probably ugly and I'm all about the looks, so I'll pass."
- 000ooo000 3y ago
  I think it might be a mistake to conflate business ethics with personal ethics. I have sympathy for individuals who through no fault of their own struggle in the dating scene; I have no sympathy for corporate entities in any regard.
  - throw9away6 3y ago
    Very few people struggle with dating through no fault of their own. Most people have actionable things that they can do to get a date just like most can find a job. But not everyone can get to the level of dating models or working at FANG companies. That requires done combination hard work and natural gift. If you don’t grind leetcode you won’t get that fang job, if you don’t grind social skills and status you won’t get that hot date.
- throw9away6 3y ago
  The sometimes you can win on the face to face just like sometimes you can hire below market rates, but you are just wasting time on a site where other people do post photos and a high initial investment is required

austinshea 3y ago

I can agree that there's more to a job than the salary, and it's totally cool to negotiate. When you make the salary ambiguous in order to make your sales pitch, you are being unreasonable.

000ooo000 3y ago

"There's more to a job than the salary" is just rhetoric from those trying to justify bad salaries, often by implying intangibles are suitable substitutes for money. Imagine a candidate being so coy regarding their skillset. Hi, I'd like a job. Yes I know some programming, a good amount, don't worry about that.. but let's talk about my sense of humour. Would your business benefit from daily jokes? No? Ok what about my haircut, surely having this haircut in the office all day would be appealing? How about monthly I bring in some muffins my wife made?

jcpsimmons 3y ago

This is a real “drink the kool aid” take.

danwee 3y ago

> There's more to a job than the salary That only works for people who are earning a lot. I mean, for SV engineers there's probably a big difference between company A paying $350K/year with 10 days of vacation per year, and company B paying $300K/year with 30 days of vacation per year (I bet most would apply for company B, because the +$50K is not such a big difference). For the rest of the engineers in the world (99% of us), a salary of $80K/year vs $130K/year is big difference and I don't know who would go for a job that pays $50K less no matter the other perks (which, at least in Europe are quite standard, so there's not much to be picky about)