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> We have already have a General Intelligence that outperforms most humans on most tasks it is assigned. To the extent that is true, it's because we're assigni

by gensym 3y ago

> We have already have a General Intelligence that outperforms most humans on most tasks it is assigned. To the extent that is true, it's because we're assigning it tasks that it is especially well-suited to do: - writing filler copy - generating boilerplate or commonly-used code - rephrasing words - summarizing Actual tasks I need humans to do today: - performing a medical exam on my dad to see if he needs vascular surgery - cleaning my bathroom - writing a performance review for a software engineer - investigating a react codebase that uses redux in some places and not others to determine a strategy for better state management - driving my daughter to the gym after school Which of these can a computer do today?

ilaksh 3y ago
AI can in fact analyze images. GPT-4 can write performance reviews given the right context. GPT-4 can investigate a relatively small codebase and determine a state management strategy. Especially the 32k version. Waymo has had self driving cars deployed for years. Tesla is doing it effectively on a massive scale but with the humans as a backup. Cleaning the bathroom requires a bit more dexterity than is available now but the AI is about there.
- gensym 3y ago
  The claim was that AI currently surpasses human-performance on most tasks it's given, not that it can do an ok job on toy-level versions of those tasks. To look at one of your examples: > GPT-4 can write performance reviews given the right context. The context is the performance review. Understanding what an employee has done relative to their responsibilities and goals is the entire point. Taking that context and packaging it into a review format (the thing an LLM could _maybe_ do adequately) is trivial compared to the observations and analysis that build that context.
  - ilaksh 3y ago
    These are _your_ examples. The claims that I responded to were the exact wording in your comment. If you wanted to make a different claim then you should have written that. It seems you want to modify your claim. In fact GPT-4 could make the observations and analysis to build that. I was using "context" in a technical way here. All I was stating was that it needs the data to be input in some way.
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famouswaffles 3y ago
>Actual tasks I need humans to do today: - performing a medical exam on my dad to see if he needs vascular surgery - cleaning my bathroom - writing a performance review for a software engineer - investigating a react codebase that uses redux in some places and not others to determine a strategy for better state management - driving my daughter to the gym after school These are tasks bottlenecked by embodiment not intelligence Personalized robot assistance - https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/ https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/ Software development - https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/05/large-sequence-models-for-software.html?m=1 https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/05/large-sequence-models-for-...
- gensym 3y ago
  Why do you think embodiment isn't intelligence? I'm genuinely curious (i.e., this isn't a rhetorical question) because that seems to be a common assumption among folks who talk about intelligence, and I honestly don't understand it. For example, I enjoy rock-climbing as a hobby. Doing it involves literally learning new patterns of movement. That's part of what makes it fun. I don't understand why that isn't considered intelligence, while learning the steps to, say, invert a matrix is.
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    >For example, I enjoy rock-climbing as a hobby. Doing it involves literally learning new patterns of movement. Sure but does your ability to learn new patterns of movement have much to do with having the hands to climb ? Do you think an amputated person would be less intelligent than you because he could not climb the same rocks ? Would a blind man be less intelligent than you because he couldn't drive ? You can't go and ask GPT-4 to go clean your room right now. But is it because it's not intelligent enough to understand what it means to tidy up your room and go about doing that ? Or is the default inability to see and touch the real issue ? Many papers/demonstrations including what I linked point overwhelmingly to the latter.

by gensym 3y ago

ilaksh 3y ago

AI can in fact analyze images. GPT-4 can write performance reviews given the right context. GPT-4 can investigate a relatively small codebase and determine a state management strategy. Especially the 32k version. Waymo has had self driving cars deployed for years. Tesla is doing it effectively on a massive scale but with the humans as a backup. Cleaning the bathroom requires a bit more dexterity than is available now but the AI is about there.

gensym 3y ago
The claim was that AI currently surpasses human-performance on most tasks it's given, not that it can do an ok job on toy-level versions of those tasks. To look at one of your examples: > GPT-4 can write performance reviews given the right context. The context is the performance review. Understanding what an employee has done relative to their responsibilities and goals is the entire point. Taking that context and packaging it into a review format (the thing an LLM could _maybe_ do adequately) is trivial compared to the observations and analysis that build that context.
- ilaksh 3y ago
  These are _your_ examples. The claims that I responded to were the exact wording in your comment. If you wanted to make a different claim then you should have written that. It seems you want to modify your claim. In fact GPT-4 could make the observations and analysis to build that. I was using "context" in a technical way here. All I was stating was that it needs the data to be input in some way.
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famouswaffles 3y ago

>Actual tasks I need humans to do today: - performing a medical exam on my dad to see if he needs vascular surgery - cleaning my bathroom - writing a performance review for a software engineer - investigating a react codebase that uses redux in some places and not others to determine a strategy for better state management - driving my daughter to the gym after school These are tasks bottlenecked by embodiment not intelligence Personalized robot assistance - https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/ https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/ Software development - https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/05/large-sequence-models-for-software.html?m=1 https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/05/large-sequence-models-for-...

gensym 3y ago
Why do you think embodiment isn't intelligence? I'm genuinely curious (i.e., this isn't a rhetorical question) because that seems to be a common assumption among folks who talk about intelligence, and I honestly don't understand it. For example, I enjoy rock-climbing as a hobby. Doing it involves literally learning new patterns of movement. That's part of what makes it fun. I don't understand why that isn't considered intelligence, while learning the steps to, say, invert a matrix is.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  >For example, I enjoy rock-climbing as a hobby. Doing it involves literally learning new patterns of movement. Sure but does your ability to learn new patterns of movement have much to do with having the hands to climb ? Do you think an amputated person would be less intelligent than you because he could not climb the same rocks ? Would a blind man be less intelligent than you because he couldn't drive ? You can't go and ask GPT-4 to go clean your room right now. But is it because it's not intelligent enough to understand what it means to tidy up your room and go about doing that ? Or is the default inability to see and touch the real issue ? Many papers/demonstrations including what I linked point overwhelmingly to the latter.