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I tend to be sympathetic to arguments in favor of openly accessible AI, but we shouldn't dismiss concerns about unaligned AI as frivolous. Widespread unfiltere

I tend to be sympathetic to arguments in favor of openly accessible AI, but we shouldn't dismiss concerns about unaligned AI as frivolous. Widespread unfiltered accessibility to "unaligned" AI means that suicidal sociopaths will be able to get extremely well informed, intelligent directions on how to kill as many people as possible. It may be that the best defense against these terrorists is openly accessible AI giving directions on protecting from these people. But we can't just take this for granted. This is a hard problem, and we should consider consequences seriously.

Xeoncross 3y ago
> suicidal sociopaths will be able to get extremely well informed, intelligent directions on how to kill as many people as possible Citizens killing other citizens is the least of humanities issues. It's the governments who are the suicidal sociopaths historically who can get the un-nerfed version that is the bigger issue. Over a billion people murdered by governments/factions and their wars in the last 120 years alone.
- kokanee 3y ago
  Governments are composed of citizens; this is the same problem at a different scale. The point remains that racing to stand up an open source uncensored version of GPT-4 is a dangerous proposition.
  - Xeoncross 3y ago
    That is not how I'm using the word. Governments are generally run by a small party of people who decide all the things - not the hundreds of thousands that actually carry out the day-to-day operations of the government. Similar to how a board of directors runs the company even though all companies "are composed of" employees. Employees do as they are directed or they are fired.
    - marmadukester39 3y ago
      I think at scale we are operating more like anthills: meta-organisms rather than individuals, growing to consume all available resources according to survival focused heuristics. AI deeply empowers such meta-organisms, especially in its current form. Hopefully it gets smart enough to recognize that the pursuit of infinite growth will destroy us and possibly it. I hope it finds us worth saving.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    As dangerous as teaching kids to read/write, allowing books, companies creating pen/paper that allow any words written.
- SubiculumCode 3y ago
  The applicability of historical precedent to unprecedented times is limited. You can quote me on that.
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monkpit 3y ago
Time travel back 3 decades… Couldn’t you have used the same fear-mongering excuse about the internet itself? It’s not a real argument.
otikik 3y ago
That’s like not making planes in order to avoid 9-11.
torginus 3y ago
The Aum Shinrikyo cult's Sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway killed 14 people - manufacturing synthetic nerve agent is about as sophisticated as it gets. In comparison, the 2016 Nice truck attack, which involved driving into crowds killed 84.
bandrami 3y ago
> suicidal sociopaths will be able to get extremely well informed, intelligent directions on how to kill as many people as possible I mean, that was/is a worry about the Internet, too
- Spooky23 3y ago
  Internet? Try the anarchists cookbook!
  - bragr 3y ago
    If you actually try the anarchists cookbook, you will find many of the recipes don't work or work that well.
    - George83728 3y ago
      Quite a few of them work just fine. Dissolving styrofoam into gasoline isn't exactly rocket science. Besides that, for every book that tells you made up bullshit, there are a hundred other books that give you real advice for how to create mayhem and destruction.
    - GartzenDeHaes 3y ago
      Or explode. The FBI scrapes up the remains of a few of these a*holes every year.
    - TeMPOraL 3y ago
      So it's just like every other cookbook then.
  - suslik 3y ago
    Pretty sure a similar sentiment was present when printing press came about. "Just think about all the poor souls exposed to all these heresies".
- loudmax 3y ago
  Yes, and look at the extremism and social delusions and social networking addictions that have been exacerbated by the internet. On balance, it's still positive that the internet exists and people have open access to communication. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. But it's not an unalloyed good, we need to recognize that the technology brought some unexpected negative aspects came along with the overall positive benefit. This also goes for, say, automobiles. It's a good thing that cars exist and middle class people can afford to own and drive them. But few people at the start of the 20th anticipated the downsides of air pollution, traffic congestion and un-walkable suburban sprawl. This doesn't mean we shouldn't have cars. It does mean we need to be cognizant of problems that arise. So a world where regular people have access to AIs that are aligned to their own needs is better than a world in which all the AIs are aligned to the needs a few powerful corporations. But if you think there are no possible downsides to giving everyone access to superhuman intelligence without the wisdom to match, you're deluding yourself.

Xeoncross 3y ago

> suicidal sociopaths will be able to get extremely well informed, intelligent directions on how to kill as many people as possible Citizens killing other citizens is the least of humanities issues. It's the governments who are the suicidal sociopaths historically who can get the un-nerfed version that is the bigger issue. Over a billion people murdered by governments/factions and their wars in the last 120 years alone.

kokanee 3y ago
Governments are composed of citizens; this is the same problem at a different scale. The point remains that racing to stand up an open source uncensored version of GPT-4 is a dangerous proposition.
- Xeoncross 3y ago
  That is not how I'm using the word. Governments are generally run by a small party of people who decide all the things - not the hundreds of thousands that actually carry out the day-to-day operations of the government. Similar to how a board of directors runs the company even though all companies "are composed of" employees. Employees do as they are directed or they are fired.
  - marmadukester39 3y ago
    I think at scale we are operating more like anthills: meta-organisms rather than individuals, growing to consume all available resources according to survival focused heuristics. AI deeply empowers such meta-organisms, especially in its current form. Hopefully it gets smart enough to recognize that the pursuit of infinite growth will destroy us and possibly it. I hope it finds us worth saving.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  As dangerous as teaching kids to read/write, allowing books, companies creating pen/paper that allow any words written.
SubiculumCode 3y ago
The applicability of historical precedent to unprecedented times is limited. You can quote me on that.

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monkpit 3y ago

Time travel back 3 decades… Couldn’t you have used the same fear-mongering excuse about the internet itself? It’s not a real argument.

otikik 3y ago

That’s like not making planes in order to avoid 9-11.

torginus 3y ago

The Aum Shinrikyo cult's Sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway killed 14 people - manufacturing synthetic nerve agent is about as sophisticated as it gets. In comparison, the 2016 Nice truck attack, which involved driving into crowds killed 84.

bandrami 3y ago

> suicidal sociopaths will be able to get extremely well informed, intelligent directions on how to kill as many people as possible I mean, that was/is a worry about the Internet, too

Spooky23 3y ago
Internet? Try the anarchists cookbook!
- bragr 3y ago
  If you actually try the anarchists cookbook, you will find many of the recipes don't work or work that well.
  - George83728 3y ago
    Quite a few of them work just fine. Dissolving styrofoam into gasoline isn't exactly rocket science. Besides that, for every book that tells you made up bullshit, there are a hundred other books that give you real advice for how to create mayhem and destruction.
  - GartzenDeHaes 3y ago
    Or explode. The FBI scrapes up the remains of a few of these a*holes every year.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    So it's just like every other cookbook then.
- suslik 3y ago
  Pretty sure a similar sentiment was present when printing press came about. "Just think about all the poor souls exposed to all these heresies".
loudmax 3y ago
Yes, and look at the extremism and social delusions and social networking addictions that have been exacerbated by the internet. On balance, it's still positive that the internet exists and people have open access to communication. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. But it's not an unalloyed good, we need to recognize that the technology brought some unexpected negative aspects came along with the overall positive benefit. This also goes for, say, automobiles. It's a good thing that cars exist and middle class people can afford to own and drive them. But few people at the start of the 20th anticipated the downsides of air pollution, traffic congestion and un-walkable suburban sprawl. This doesn't mean we shouldn't have cars. It does mean we need to be cognizant of problems that arise. So a world where regular people have access to AIs that are aligned to their own needs is better than a world in which all the AIs are aligned to the needs a few powerful corporations. But if you think there are no possible downsides to giving everyone access to superhuman intelligence without the wisdom to match, you're deluding yourself.