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It is not that clear cut for Western Europe. - Germany sends letters and fines - Czech Republic doesn’t send letters or fines - The Netherlands doesn’t send

by jorvi 3y ago

It is not that clear cut for Western Europe. - Germany sends letters and fines - Czech Republic doesn’t send letters or fines - The Netherlands doesn’t send letters or fines (unless you share an absolutely ludicrous amount) - Belgium doesn’t send letters or fines - UK sends letters and fines - France sends letters (tiny chance of a fine) - Switzerland doesn’t send letters or fines

Goz3rr 3y ago
It should be noted that (as far as I know) none of those are actually fines. It's private companies that track down pirates, and they cannot give out fines. They send you a settlement proposal, saying either pay this or risk being sued.
tigeroil 3y ago
Does the UK send letters and fines? I haven't torrented without a VPN for years but the worst I ever heard anyone getting was a letter from the ISP saying "that was very naughty, please don't do it again".
Scotch3297 3y ago
Spain doesn't send letters or fines
scotty79 3y ago
Do you know what's the situation in Portugal?
graftak 3y ago
Note that in the Netherlands right holders can request ISPs to proxy their letters but those ISPs are not allowed to share the home addresses or any other personal information so it’s neigh impossible for a right holder to get hold of a torrent user.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Makes sense. If ISPs were allowed to share home addresses then a lot of creeps and scammers could abuse that system.
  - mmh0000 3y ago
    Welcome to America! ISPs do that, but it's a lot worse if you consider your mobile provider to be an ISP. https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/10/data-broker-offers-new-service-showing-where-they-have-spotted-your-car/?sh=34217ec7470b https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/10/data-brok... https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunter-300-dollars-located-phone-microbilt-zumigo-tmobile https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunte...
    - zirgs 3y ago
      I'm pretty sure that sort of thing would be a gross GDPR violation in the EU.
  - copperx 3y ago
    Imagine being doxxed by your own ISP.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Of course they have to obey court orders. The Dutch ISPs fought this in court but they lost in some cases.
      - zirgs 3y ago
        There's a difference between getting a court order and someone saying - "I saw that X IP address shared a copyrighted file - can I get their name and address?"
- rerdavies 3y ago
  The situation is the same for Canadians: we get proxied letters, but rightsholders have no access to our personal identification.
abwizz 3y ago
almost like copyright enforcement goes hand in hand with your country's relation to the US
- jorvi 3y ago
  The Netherlands is very cozy with the US and yet enforcement is pretty lax, so I don’t think that’s the deciding factor.
chikitabanana 3y ago
in France you can be blacklisted from all ISPs

by jorvi 3y ago

Goz3rr 3y ago

It should be noted that (as far as I know) none of those are actually fines. It's private companies that track down pirates, and they cannot give out fines. They send you a settlement proposal, saying either pay this or risk being sued.

tigeroil 3y ago

Does the UK send letters and fines? I haven't torrented without a VPN for years but the worst I ever heard anyone getting was a letter from the ISP saying "that was very naughty, please don't do it again".

Scotch3297 3y ago

Spain doesn't send letters or fines

scotty79 3y ago

Do you know what's the situation in Portugal?

graftak 3y ago

Note that in the Netherlands right holders can request ISPs to proxy their letters but those ISPs are not allowed to share the home addresses or any other personal information so it’s neigh impossible for a right holder to get hold of a torrent user.

zirgs 3y ago
Makes sense. If ISPs were allowed to share home addresses then a lot of creeps and scammers could abuse that system.
- mmh0000 3y ago
  Welcome to America! ISPs do that, but it's a lot worse if you consider your mobile provider to be an ISP. https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/10/data-broker-offers-new-service-showing-where-they-have-spotted-your-car/?sh=34217ec7470b https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/10/data-brok... https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunter-300-dollars-located-phone-microbilt-zumigo-tmobile https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunte...
  - zirgs 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure that sort of thing would be a gross GDPR violation in the EU.
- copperx 3y ago
  Imagine being doxxed by your own ISP.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Of course they have to obey court orders. The Dutch ISPs fought this in court but they lost in some cases.
    - zirgs 3y ago
      There's a difference between getting a court order and someone saying - "I saw that X IP address shared a copyrighted file - can I get their name and address?"
rerdavies 3y ago
The situation is the same for Canadians: we get proxied letters, but rightsholders have no access to our personal identification.

abwizz 3y ago

almost like copyright enforcement goes hand in hand with your country's relation to the US

jorvi 3y ago
The Netherlands is very cozy with the US and yet enforcement is pretty lax, so I don’t think that’s the deciding factor.

chikitabanana 3y ago

in France you can be blacklisted from all ISPs