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I think it's effectively just that they operate out of jurisdictions that just don't care.

by _AzMoo 3y ago

wkat4242 3y ago
This, totally.
mrtksn 3y ago
Well, Bulgaria used to be a jurisdiction that doesn't care but this is no longer early 2000s. Are there really jurisdictions that don't care and still have connections to the rest of the world? I guess DPRK, Iran, Cuba and maybe a few more can do that but wouldn't they be a problem to the infrastructure provider to work with in first place?
- costco 3y ago
  Current hosting appears to be in Bosnia: 185.37.100.122 which is probably a server colocated with https://www.netsaap.com/contacts.php https://www.netsaap.com/contacts.php.
- cykros 3y ago
  Does Iceland actually care much? I don't imagine they'd let you host an actual warez site a la 2000 or so, but a site just hosting magnet links seems like something they'd mostly allow, and they DEFINITELY have the infrastructure to handle it. That all said, I'm always amazed that these sites don't just move to i2p/tor. The torrents themselves have been decentralized with DHT and magnet links for awhile. At the end of the day it seems like they've just been hanging on trying to avoid being so in the shadows that they get less traffic as a result.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  They still don't quite care though. For example in western Europe it's quite common to get threatening letters as soon as you start torrenting without VPN. In eastern europe this is not happening. Perhaps because copyright infringement is not really a criminal issue but more of a civil law one. Without a private party starting lawsuits on behalf of the copyright owners there is nothing happening. It could be they don't have one.
  - Joker_vD 3y ago
    > in western Europe it's quite common to get threatening letters as soon as you start torrenting without VPN What about the right of the privacy of communication? Oh, right, it's the state-owned postal services that have to respect that right, and only with regards to the paper letters, not the privately operated ISPs that can (and obliged to) wiretap at the slightest suspicion of crime.
    - rocqua 3y ago
      This isn't the ISPs detecting you torrent. It's rightholders joining a torrent swarm, getting an IP-address, and asking the ISP for the person behind that address. It differs between jurisdictions whether the ISP has to comply or not. In the Netherlands they do not, (but Surfnet, a university focused ISP complies anyway). In Germany they have to comply. Lobbying is always happening to require ISPs to cooperate though.
      - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
        >In Germany they have to comply. Seriously, screw Germany here. The way they oppressively Gestapo your internet traffic just to catch you downloading an mp3 to treat you like criminal menace, is unheard of in the rest of Europe. Can't believe the so called "privacy conscious" German public are okay with this invasiveness of their internet privacy when they're the only EU country as hardcore on this "issue". If only they would invest as much resources in digital innovation as they do in catching people download a DVD rip, Germany would rule the tech world.
        andrepd 3y ago
        Does it need that many resources though? I thought just getting the list of peers in a swarm for an illegal torrent is enough.
        ChuckNorris89 3y ago
        Resources not as in tech but as in lack of red tape in invading people's privacy for such trivial issues. In any other country this would get you laughed out of court.
- abwizz 3y ago
  imo copyright is irrelevant in countries that either can withstand the mpaa's pressure, maybe via good relations to the state department, or in countries that have bigger problems.
- CodeArtisan 3y ago
  Vietnam is probably the #1 place for digital piracy today. https://torrentfreak.com/vietnam-could-kill-several-major-pirate-sites-worth-billions-of-visits-230427/ https://torrentfreak.com/vietnam-could-kill-several-major-pi...
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    Linked from the bottom of the post: Potential Impact on Major Pirate Sites as Vietnam ISPs Face New Responsibilities, May 12, 2023. > “Most Voluminous” Copyright Decree Ever Issued in Vietnam > Global IP services firm Rouse reports that with 8 chapters and 116 articles, Decree 17 is the most voluminous copyright decree ever issued in Vietnam. > “[T]he Copyright Decree provides significantly detailed guidance on copyright enforcement, especially which disputes can be classified as a copyright dispute, how to establish acts of copyright infringement, and how to calculate damages caused by infringements,” the company reports. > “The long, detailed section in copyright assessment is also expected to pave the way for the growth of the currently limited copyright assessment services in Vietnam.” https://torrentfreak.com/potential-impact-on-major-pirate-sites-as-vietnam-isps-face-new-responsibilities-230512/ https://torrentfreak.com/potential-impact-on-major-pirate-si...
  - drexlspivey 3y ago
    Also their close neighbor, The Republic of Kinakuta

I think it's effectively just that they operate out of jurisdictions that just don't care.

by _AzMoo 3y ago

I think it's effectively just that they operate out of jurisdictions that just don't care.

wkat4242 3y ago

This, totally.

mrtksn 3y ago

Well, Bulgaria used to be a jurisdiction that doesn't care but this is no longer early 2000s. Are there really jurisdictions that don't care and still have connections to the rest of the world? I guess DPRK, Iran, Cuba and maybe a few more can do that but wouldn't they be a problem to the infrastructure provider to work with in first place?

costco 3y ago
Current hosting appears to be in Bosnia: 185.37.100.122 which is probably a server colocated with https://www.netsaap.com/contacts.php https://www.netsaap.com/contacts.php.
cykros 3y ago
Does Iceland actually care much? I don't imagine they'd let you host an actual warez site a la 2000 or so, but a site just hosting magnet links seems like something they'd mostly allow, and they DEFINITELY have the infrastructure to handle it. That all said, I'm always amazed that these sites don't just move to i2p/tor. The torrents themselves have been decentralized with DHT and magnet links for awhile. At the end of the day it seems like they've just been hanging on trying to avoid being so in the shadows that they get less traffic as a result.
wkat4242 3y ago
They still don't quite care though. For example in western Europe it's quite common to get threatening letters as soon as you start torrenting without VPN. In eastern europe this is not happening. Perhaps because copyright infringement is not really a criminal issue but more of a civil law one. Without a private party starting lawsuits on behalf of the copyright owners there is nothing happening. It could be they don't have one.
- Joker_vD 3y ago
  > in western Europe it's quite common to get threatening letters as soon as you start torrenting without VPN What about the right of the privacy of communication? Oh, right, it's the state-owned postal services that have to respect that right, and only with regards to the paper letters, not the privately operated ISPs that can (and obliged to) wiretap at the slightest suspicion of crime.
  - rocqua 3y ago
    This isn't the ISPs detecting you torrent. It's rightholders joining a torrent swarm, getting an IP-address, and asking the ISP for the person behind that address. It differs between jurisdictions whether the ISP has to comply or not. In the Netherlands they do not, (but Surfnet, a university focused ISP complies anyway). In Germany they have to comply. Lobbying is always happening to require ISPs to cooperate though.
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      >In Germany they have to comply. Seriously, screw Germany here. The way they oppressively Gestapo your internet traffic just to catch you downloading an mp3 to treat you like criminal menace, is unheard of in the rest of Europe. Can't believe the so called "privacy conscious" German public are okay with this invasiveness of their internet privacy when they're the only EU country as hardcore on this "issue". If only they would invest as much resources in digital innovation as they do in catching people download a DVD rip, Germany would rule the tech world.
      - andrepd 3y ago
        Does it need that many resources though? I thought just getting the list of peers in a swarm for an illegal torrent is enough.
        ChuckNorris89 3y ago
        Resources not as in tech but as in lack of red tape in invading people's privacy for such trivial issues. In any other country this would get you laughed out of court.
abwizz 3y ago
imo copyright is irrelevant in countries that either can withstand the mpaa's pressure, maybe via good relations to the state department, or in countries that have bigger problems.
CodeArtisan 3y ago
Vietnam is probably the #1 place for digital piracy today. https://torrentfreak.com/vietnam-could-kill-several-major-pirate-sites-worth-billions-of-visits-230427/ https://torrentfreak.com/vietnam-could-kill-several-major-pi...
- pessimizer 3y ago
  Linked from the bottom of the post: Potential Impact on Major Pirate Sites as Vietnam ISPs Face New Responsibilities, May 12, 2023. > “Most Voluminous” Copyright Decree Ever Issued in Vietnam > Global IP services firm Rouse reports that with 8 chapters and 116 articles, Decree 17 is the most voluminous copyright decree ever issued in Vietnam. > “[T]he Copyright Decree provides significantly detailed guidance on copyright enforcement, especially which disputes can be classified as a copyright dispute, how to establish acts of copyright infringement, and how to calculate damages caused by infringements,” the company reports. > “The long, detailed section in copyright assessment is also expected to pave the way for the growth of the currently limited copyright assessment services in Vietnam.” https://torrentfreak.com/potential-impact-on-major-pirate-sites-as-vietnam-isps-face-new-responsibilities-230512/ https://torrentfreak.com/potential-impact-on-major-pirate-si...
- drexlspivey 3y ago
  Also their close neighbor, The Republic of Kinakuta