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Examples using Photoshop’s new “Generative Fill” feature
- code51 3y agoHow on earth this tweet is HN-worthy?
- gdubs 3y agoIt's a piece of technology that is both incredibly impressive and also generating a ton of discussion across platforms. How is it not?
- 2008marketcrash 3y agoWaiting for some camera company to release a camera that provides the original image hash that is signed by an embedded cert on the camera. I assume going forward, that'd be one of the only ways to use photos as evidence. That there'd be a proof of originality.
- circuit10 3y agoYou could just take a photo of a screen, unless there’s extra technology to prevent that
- ustolemyname 3y agoFew people have screens as high resolution as even a mediocre phone camera. Before someone brings up future screen tech, there are additional reasons that's not a trivial workaround. Additionally there's a higher benefit to having high resolution cameras which have a wide field of view and the user may want to zoom in on the physical data vs a screen where the zooming happens in software.
- tornato7 3y agoLikely would have to be a depth camera. iPhone is in a good position to do this with the rear-facing Lidar and front facing IR projector, plus onboard secure element chips.
- seydor 3y agoI d rather we never use photos as evidence again. Will be a net benefit to freedom
- qingcharles 3y agoPhotos will be used as evidence in court in the same way they are used now. If you don't stipulate to the authenticity of the photo then the photographer must come to court and state under penalty of perjury that the photo is an original that they took and that it has not been modified. Of course, nothing stops anyone from lying under oath. Police do it every day.
- wmf 3y agohttps://www.sony.eu/presscentre/news/sony-unlocks-in-camera-forgery-proof-technology https://www.sony.eu/presscentre/news/sony-unlocks-in-camera-...
- eichin 3y agoNikon and Canon both have "image authentication system" features; unfortunately the easiest to find articles are about them being broken... back in 2011.
- jedberg 3y agoIf the certificate is on the camera than it would be breakable. But I can see cameras with cell chips inside and auto-upload to an authentication service with the location verified by cellular triangulation.
- chongli 3y agoBreakable in principle but difficult in practice. Put a TPM chip in there and it’s going to be quite difficult to extract the signing keys.
- 93po 3y agoUntil you find a way to emulate the photo sensor itself and feed it pre-rendered AI garbage that it thinks is live footage. A tangent but I think journalism is going to start to actually mean something. Historically I think it's been most problematic bullshit, and especially in the past few decades it's pure propaganda and greed and profit. But in an age where we can't trust literally anything we see, it's the reputation of specific humans we'll trust, and we'll have to trust that if they say they saw something, it was real. We'll start to see "real" journalism.
- mrandish 3y agoI agree with your point and would add that it's been this way for decades prior to AI. Many are focusing on the fact that AI is recently making it easier, cheaper and faster to do hard-to-detect, high-fidelity photo/video manipulation. However, another equally important change from AI is widespread awareness that such manipulation is not only possible but relatively easy. Previously, such manipulation was possible via manual methods requiring time and unique skill which limited it to highly motivated, organized adversaries and it was much more useful because most people weren't aware it could be done. IMHO, all the AI examples we're now seeing bemoaned in the media as signs of future manipulation are, in fact, rapidly diminishing the effective value of such deception.
- robotburrito 3y agoDoes it run on the cloud? Or does it run locally on your computer? I wonder if there is work being done on giving GIMP this ability?
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- chunk_waffle 3y agoI read "dropped" as some feature they had and removed 168 hours ago causing fallout and more anger with their subscription model, a bit overloaded of a term I guess.
- daveslash 3y agoSame. I saw a reddit post last night about someone complaining that the generative fill wasn't working on their machine.... so when I saw this headline, I first thought that they'd rolled it back in a sloppy way.
- fogoflove 3y agoI, too, thought this was the case. It appears all three of us have been bamboozled.
- shultays 3y agoI thougt AI was unethical and stealing artists' work
- seydor 3y agoWhen adobe got the pictures copyrighs, did they also get permission to train models with it?
- detrites 3y agoFor those like me, who haven't seen this odd notation before: 168h / 24h = 7d
- Havoc 3y agoCan't wait for all the "99% of people use photoshop wrong" posts on twitter
- UI_at_80x24 3y agoPersonal rant, context needed. "....dropped...." in the context of new albums/music being released means "made available", however in the context of software features (or general english vernacular) it means "removed". examples "When Weird Al's song 'White and Nerdy' dropped, I stopped everything so I could listen to it." "In the latest news, Microsoft has dropped the ability to log on locally to your PC. All logins require internet connectivity and a MS Account." This isn't a gripe about HN 'headline' rules; it's a complaint about a use/misuse of slang. Oh get off my lawn too please.
- rglover 3y agoA fun behavioral psychology test you can use generative fill for: create a dating profile filled with photos of you in exotic places, surrounded by hot people, and living your best life. Say you're looking for your special queen/king to complete your kingdom. $20 says your inbox (man or woman) will be flooded.
- tayo42 3y agoYou should really try this out on your own before falling for the doom and gloom. It seems to work on specific things well I guess. But so far it struggles with perspective. It just inserts silhouettes too. Maybe im terrible at prompt creation or dont understand the feature
- daveslash 3y agoI've been playing around with it. I think it's neat, and it's impressive from a tech perspective, but I'm not terribly impressed with it from a content generation standpoint. I'm sure it will get better.
- erikstarck 3y agoLess than x [time unit] since y released z. Here are n [jawdropping|amazing|stunning] examples of what people has done with it.
- Alifatisk 3y agoBut you gotta admit, some of these fillings were impressive
- ekianjo 3y agoOr cherry picked by influencers paid by Adobe
- pc86 3y agoThe work done by the Photoshop devs is extraordinary. The artistry by some of the people creating these illustrations is similarly excellent. These bullshit copy-paste threads from AI "influencers" and devrel hacks are a scourge - bandwagon "content" from people who produce nothing of value themselves other than tricking people into buying what I can only assume is $500 video courses repackaging 6 month old blog articles from someone else.
- twelve40 3y agoi see lots of theft too, even on Linkedin under their name they just post someone else's AI montage videos to score a like or two for their own worthless self. people are nuts.
- rchaud 3y agoBlame the Twitter algorithm. There are courses about "how to go viral on Twitter" that work, because the algo is so cookie-cutter and easily gamed. Back in 2022, it was the "collect list of useful links, add 5 of them to a tweet at a time, and make it a viral thread with that annoying finger pointing down emoji"
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- broken8ball 3y agoThese 10,000 jaw dropping copy and paste tweets about the exact same thing will simply blow your mind! https://twitter.com/search?q=photoshop%20generative%20fill%20examples&src=typed_query&f=top https://twitter.com/search?q=photoshop%20generative%20fill%2...
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- blitzar 3y agoMust ... produce ... content
- OJFord 3y agoI watched one dumb cat video and one Friends clip before realising I'd been redirected to a generic home feed after dismissing the log-in wall, and they weren't supposed to be 'generatively filled' clips... /facepalm
- Apocryphon 3y agoGenerative filler.
- rchaud 3y agothe consumer internet, writ large
- hanselot 3y agoThere's 10000 more pieces of data to "improve" the LLM's of the future :P
- rchaud 3y agoThey're all posted by blue check design influencers too.
- NaN1352 3y agoThe hell? Is Adobe using bots to promote their software?
- Keyframe 3y agoYou think it'll stay within subscription price or it will end up as a credits thing?
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoUnless the cost of generating plummets - and I think we'll see a 10x decrease in that in the coming year or so - it'll probably be a credits system. I think this feature has the potential to quickly become Adobe's primary money maker. I think a lot of companies are suddenly finding themselves in a lot of money with the current hype, e.g. midjourney, openai, etc.
- greeneggs 3y agoAn Adobe employee wrote on Reddit that they plan to allow an unspecified limited number of generations per month, included in the current subscription (even if your subscription is annual). Beyond that there would be an extra fee for more credits, which might or might not roll over to the next month. Unfortunately, the posts have now been deleted, but you can still see other people's reactions: https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshop/comments/13qtntz/generative_ai_produces_superior_results_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshop/comments/13qtntz/generati...
- junon 3y agoIs it based on Midjourney? So you need an internet connection and you're sending potentially highly encumbered/lock and key assets to a remote server and third party? Oh yeah, can't see how this is going to backfire at all...
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- viscanti 3y agoI'm not sure they needed to wait until there was some enterprise data solution before enabling it. It looks like a useful feature and if someone has assets that they're fine using it with, do they really need to wait until some enterprise solution is built to handle the other cases? Is the argument that the feature is so useful that people will send enterprise data/assets even after being told they shouldn't and that the feature shouldn't ship until those people are protected from themselves?
- Keyframe 3y agoreportedly it's not, they've trained it on their stock
- mu53 3y agoI never get this criticism. When the internet and computers first rolled out, everybody realized the dangers of security with devices. Paper and pen would always be safer since you could lock it up where no-one could access it. Eventually, the cost benefit shifted greatly towards being less safe because of how much faster people can be. Anybody using AI to generate images is going to be way faster than someone not. Any company selling generative AI is going to be miles ahead of open source alternatives. Anyone not embracing or figuring out how to bend the rules around assets is going to get smoked in a business.
- thinkingemote 3y agoSeems like you do very well understand or "get" the criticism, you just don't agree with it.
- yreg 3y agoControlNet devs are already talking about bringing similar features to Automatic1111. https://github.com/Mikubill/sd-webui-controlnet/discussions/1464 https://github.com/Mikubill/sd-webui-controlnet/discussions/... So far it seems that the OSS diffusion models + tooling that we can run locally keep being state of the art. It makes me so happy. (Unlike say LLMs where GPT-4 is clearly dominating for now.)
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago> (Unlike say LLMs where GPT-4 is clearly dominating for now.) A lot of this comes from people comparing GPT-4 to e.g. LLaMA-7B, because that's the thing that fits in memory on their laptop. Whereas you can run LLaMA-65B, and it's dramatically better, but it uses about 128GB of RAM and the hardware needed to run it fast is expensive. And GPT-4 has even more parameters than that, but that's not a matter of the tooling, it's that someone needs to release a public model with more parameters.
- yreg 3y agoThat's part of the point though. I get better results from stable diffusion on my PC than out of DALL-E 2. (I still have some credits there, but little reason to use them.) I can't do that with LLaMA-65B. (Although to be fair 128 GB RAM is not that much.) But I suspect it's still far less capable than GPT-4, is it not?
- AnthonyMouse 3y agoIt depends what you're trying to get it to do. There are some prompts where the expected output is a piece of code or a paragraph containing some information, and once you reach the threshold where the code works or the information is correct, there isn't a lot of "better" left to get. Then there are ones where more parameters matters. Conversely, LLaMA doesn't say "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
- hammock 3y agoWhat is Automatic1111? Google didn't really help that much, seemed like a whole lot of inside baseball
- spaceman_2020 3y agois it actually any good or is it only reserved for people with tons of patience and prompt know-how? I've fired up Midjourney a bunch of times and outside of fantasy landscapes, it has never managed to make anything useful in my actual work. GPT-4 is increasingly going the same way too. I'm not sure if I'll renew the subscription. Getting a little jaded of these hyped up announcements that are largely nothing more than cool tech demos.
- seydor 3y agoThe toys are definitely dazzling . It will take some time to find productive uses for them
- andybak 3y agoI'm genuinely surprised that you can't get good results from Midjourney almost every time. I'd love to see some examples of your failures.
- zwirbl 3y agofrom what I've seen in TFA many times the prompt is left blank and the model just fills in the empty space
- laratied 3y agoMidjourney and GPT4 suck , don't use them. Use your old tools and let fools like me waste their time.
- hbs18 3y agothe prompt that filled in rest of the image with the jacket-wearing guy was two words
- danielbln 3y agoMidjourney can create very polished output, but imo generative AI art really shines in combination with ControlNet, where you can exert a lot of influence over the generative output.
- dpflan 3y agoCool stuff. Did the OP think this was the best list aggregating uses of Generative Fill? Or is this kind of a hit at the AI "influencers" jumping on everything that is released these days? Or is there a better list? I see some links showing up in comments here. After seeing things go from 0 to Stable Diffusion and beyond, the fact that GenAI can do x,y,z; well, seems like a given eventuality.
- dpflan 3y agoAh, here is a test of Gen Fill: how will it fill in famous paintings, like the Mona Lisa? - https://twitter.com/maddoxrules/status/1663715966755430401 https://twitter.com/maddoxrules/status/1663715966755430401
- wmf 3y agoYou know all those artworks are in the training set.
- irrational 3y agoI should hope any public domain image would be in the training set.
- dpflan 3y agoIndeed. What're you thinking that its inclusion in the training set will do here?
- bitwize 3y agoWith her front lace wig and her plunging neckline she looks like a Jersey City stripper
- dpflan 3y agoFrom the MTV Renaissance Period.
- EGreg 3y agoWhy did they drop it? It wasn’t working out? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21152469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21152469
- suddenclarity 3y agoI think you have a long path ahead of you if you want to change how a word has been used for decades.
- Invictus0 3y agoPath? I only use that word to refer to file locations. /s
- andyjohnson0 3y agoThat was my first thought too. I believe that words mean what people decide that they mean, and those meanings can change, but my perception is that this usage of "drop" has got a lorlt more momentum recently.
- juujian 3y agoNone of these videos are working for me. Too many people trying to access them? Or a more serious issue?
- suddenclarity 3y agoWorks fine for me.
- akeck 3y ago(IANAL) Given the US Copyright Office's guidance on the lack of protection for AI generated art, doesn't this tool harm the ability of artists/photographers/agencies to protect their works? Will people starting blanket stealing of content using the "It was AI generated." defense?
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- dang 3y ago(This is not a reply to the current comment, I just want to make sure you see this, so I'm replying to the most recent thing you posted.) Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- alphanullmeric 3y ago[flagged]
- dang 3y agoAs I mentioned, my post was not about your specific comment there but rather to your account's overall pattern of breaking the site guidelines. I chose to reply to your most recent comment only because that would be the most likely place you would see it. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here from now on, we'd appreciate it.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoI’m asking because I’d like to know if comments of that nature are considered rule breaking.
- boomboomsubban 3y agoI know nothing about generative fill, but several of the examples look like cropped photos. Could they be cropped photos with the original in the dataset, making them far less jaw dropping?
- kossTKR 3y agoNo, these are just bad examples. For much more impressive examples with no crops, check out: https://twitter.com/mrgreen/status/1663107572902027265 https://twitter.com/mrgreen/status/1663107572902027265
- rozab 3y agoInteresting stuff, it's weird how sometimes it nails the tone and context but sometimes fails completely. With the Beatles it generates a psychedelic scene and an actual yellow submarine from what is really a very mundane street scene, indicating the model has 'knowledge' of who the Beatles are and what their aesthetic is. With Master of Puppets, it utterly fails to determine the tone or even content of the scene.
- rchaud 3y agoConsidering MoP isn't exactly an obscure record, it bodes ill for the future if generative art biases towards hyper-popular pop culture because it cannot represent less mainstream art in a convincing way.
- zelphirkalt 3y agoWhat is the training data they used for this?
- jasonlotito 3y ago> Built on Adobe’s best — powered by Adobe Firefly: Create confidently, knowing that Generative Fill is powered by Adobe Firefly, the new family of creative, generative AI models designed to be commercially safe — ensuring you can push the bounds of your creativity confidently. Firefly is trained on Adobe Stock’s hundreds of millions of professional-grade, licensed, high-resolution images that are among the highest quality in the market. This helps ensure Firefly won’t generate content based on other people’s work, brands, or intellectual property. https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/generative-fill.html https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/generative-fill.html tl;dr: training data they were allowed to train on.
- stuckinhell 3y agoCommercially Safe will be the game changer for Businesses.
- whywhywhywhy 3y agoAny artist jumping on this now Adobe provides this tech, tech that has been around for months now, for free. Deserves what's coming for them. I PROMISE you once Adobe has market saturation on this and people have embedded it in their workflows and work without it feels painful they're going to be slapping a $40-$100 (It replaces literal days of work and literal team members, they can charge what they want) a month price tag on it on top of Creative Cloud. Artists once again, never learning from the past and handing over their future to an abusive company that seeks rent on their ability to earn. All you had to do is install any of the countless Stable Diffusion UIs and you'd have this tech free forever, some of them even integrate into Photoshop. No sympathy for anyone who chooses this path when we finally had an opening to harm the Adobe monopoly.
- cloudking 3y agoYep it's easy... just download a wrapper app from GitHub, download the models, set up the configuration, realize you're missing libraries, install a specific version of each etc Your average user doesn't understand how to set up and leverage open source software because it's too complicated to get going. They want to open Photoshop and use the feature in the tool the already use, without setting up anything. Quite frankly, Adobe nailed the UX here.
- 2devnull 3y agoNo offense but you sort of prove the parent’s point. People who work on computers professionally but don’t use open source because “it’s too complicated to get going” are making an error. Adobe’s UX being addictive is the point.
- swexbe 3y agoHow many work hours would it take for the average professional artist to get to this level of technical proficiency? Given the opportunity cost I'm sure you could argue it would be a net loss for the employer.
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- jibbit 3y agoI don’t mean this to sound overly dramatic, or performative - it’s just an idle thought - but what I’d like now is twitter, 144 characters, no images
- VikingCoder 3y agoI was blown away by this Reddit post of Photoshop Generative Fill of some popular memes: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/13wfaqg/photoshop_ai_generative_fill_was_used_for_its/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/13wfaqg/photoshop_...
- 632brick 3y agoWhy did they drop the feature? I guess that is just the pro and con of subscription based software. /s
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- WarOnPrivacy 3y agoNote to self: Try to remember that 'dropped' has morphed into it's own antonym.
- random3 3y agoWhy? You drop from —> to. The antonym is more like pull/suck.
- marssaxman 3y ago"Dropped" in the context of software means that something has been abandoned or removed; "dropped" in the context of music or fashion means that something has been released or published. This twitter post says that "Photoshop dropped the new 'Generative Fill' feature", using the word in its music/fashion sense to mean that Photoshop has gained a new feature; were Adobe to remove (or "drop") that feature someday, one could post the same announcement again verbatim, making use of the word's opposite meaning.
- smcameron 3y agoWhere "dropped" means "added", not "removed".
- QuercusMax 3y agoHaven't looked up the etymology, but I've usually heard it in reference to the recording industry. I assume it either refers to dropping a record on a platter / needle onto a record, or "dropping off" new releases at a record store.
- shultays 3y agoIn a software industry it implies dropping/removing a feature though
- QuercusMax 3y agoBut users of Photoshop aren't primarily software engineers. Those in creative pursuits are probably more familiar with the music-derived term.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y agoYes, historically, but the term is context dependent now. For example, Google widely advertises that its Pixel phones get big "feature drops" every few months.
- shultays 3y agoI guess language is evolving, it is interesting "feature drop" would have the opposite meaning for some people
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- neom 3y agoFirst time seeing this feature. I asked it what I would look like if I was balding, the results are... distressing... https://share.getcloudapp.com/2NupkrOg https://share.getcloudapp.com/2NupkrOg I remember when CS came out and it had the magnetic lasso tool, overnight people could save hours and hours of time in their work, this reminds me of that.
- qingcharles 3y agoI need to ask it what I would look like if I had hair again... o_O