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Curious if this also applies to Laptops ? This quote does not mention the scope of the ruling, but to me, the article leaves come confusion to my question: >T
by jmclnx 3y ago
Curious if this also applies to Laptops ? This quote does not mention the scope of the ruling, but to me, the article leaves come confusion to my question:
>The Supreme Court has not yet considered the application of the border search exception to smartphones, laptops, and other electronic devices
- duskwuff 3y ago"The Supreme Court has not yet considered" simply means that the court hasn't said anything either way. It isn't meant to imply anything about what position they might take if they considered it.
- dylan604 3y agoi act as a bit of a paranoid nutter and actually shut off my laptop when flying international. it's pretty much the only time i do that. the question is not answered to my satisfaction, so that's the choice i make in response.
- bonestamp2 3y agoWhat does shutting it off do? As far as I understand, they can still require a search. I had it happen once when entering Canada, they said if I didn't consent to the search they would confiscate my laptop. I let them search it, and obviously they didn't find anything incriminating, but it felt so violating watching them go through all my personal photos.
- dylan604 3y agofull disk encryption keys are not in memory yet
- notfed 3y agoDoes this mean they asked you to unlock it / decrypt it?
- bonestamp2 3y agoYes. If I did not comply they would take the laptop and I would have to get a lawyer to try to get it back.
- AHOHA 3y agoBe thankful they did not take a copy of your hdd for forensics later.
- dylan604 3y agoMaybe they did. Maybe the "search" is just covering the time it takes to run their cloning program. Let that fester ;-)
- bonestamp2 3y agoNo. They did it in front of me and all they did was run a search for JPG and PNG images. Then they went through all of the pictures. They did not attach any hardware/cables to the computer and they did not connect it to a network. That said, this was years ago. I have heard that they do try to clone the drive now.
- Zetice 3y agoIn enhanced security checks in the EU, they often make you turn on your electronic devices.
- dylan604 3y agocan they force you to log in?
- Zetice 3y agoWhen this has happened to me, it's been about ensuring the device can turn on at all, they don't investigate what's on it.
- dylan604 3y agowith this concept of testing for actual electronic equipment vs nefarious object disguised as an electronic device my protections of shutdown still hold
- Zetice 3y agoSure, but it's overkill. You'll have to turn it on anyway if you're selected.
- dylan604 3y agoTurning it on without logging in does not decrypt the FDE volume though. I'm only turning it off to ensure the decryption keys are not in memory. There's nothing on my laptop that would land me in trouble, but they're going to need a $5 wrench to get access. The day that happens, we'll know if it will need to be used, or if the mere presence of the wrench is enough
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoMy approach is to replace the SecureBoot keys with one of my own signing, and sign my own bootloader. Have it boot into Windows unless a specific key combo is pressed, otherwise have it boot into Linux and require a password to decrypt the drive. Plausible deniability and FDE (for the partition you care about at least).
- AHOHA 3y agoThat’s why I use plausible deniability utilizing some software similar to veracrypt. If forced, you can enter the password for the fake OS, login and nothing in there except some sunsets pics.
- citrusynapse 3y agoBut those are a man's most intimate treasures, you can't have other people basking in your curated radiance.
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoWhat software, specifically?