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How did Trump aid Russia? He was chastising Europe and Germany in particular for being economically tied to Russia. He literally encouraged their decoupling, wh

How did Trump aid Russia? He was chastising Europe and Germany in particular for being economically tied to Russia. He literally encouraged their decoupling, which would have been extremely detrimental to Russia. I've read in the "news" that Trump supported Russia for 7 years now but I never saw any evidence of him doing much of anything to actually help Russia. Unless you think that encouraging European countries to pay their share of NATO dues actually helped Russia, but that takes some mental gymnastics, since NATO was never actually weakened.

Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
> How did Trump aid Russia? Leaked US secrets with the Russian Ambassador. Secrets that cost years of political capital with Israel that had gotten those secrets. The leaked info included the name and face of a israeli spy still inside ISIS putting his life at risk. He also did not tell about this meeting to US media and the media found out after Russian gov sources posted photos of trump and 2 senior russian members giggling together in the white house Eased sanctions on multiple Russian oligarchs such as Deripaska. Also planned on removing multiple sanctions on high end tech for Russia. Told the international community he believed Crimea was Russian, despite Ukraine still claiming it as theirs. Also froze US aide to Ukraine which helped bost russian mobilisation before the invasion. In terms of PR, he publically praised Putin multiple times, defended the Russian Syrian invassion, he defended russian allied states like Belarus over the EU. Dismished condeming russian attacks and the poisoning of UK citizens. Hired Manafort, a guy condemed for running pro russian campaigns in Ukraine, as his campaign manager. Publically sided with Russia over US intelligence sources that claimed Russia was using the taliban to kill american soldiers. So how has Trump aided russia in summary: Reduced sanctions, shared classified info, talked them up internationally, hired their propaganda internationally to run his campaign and sided with russian sources over us intelligence in multiple PR nightmares. Seems pretty straight forward.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  He for sure admires effective cruel dictators. You can add MBS on that list, he bragged pretty openly about 'saving his ass', which even from common media looked exactly like that. I am sure he did some good stuff, but he made sure its extremely easy to hate him by often behaving like a childish diva. Oh and for anybody in US - basically whole world outside, apart maybe from few friendly dictatorships like russia or saudi arabia, hated him during his presidency. Kind of 'insult your basic intelligence and human decency in 2 easy steps' guy. But current pro-russian, anti-covid etc crowd liked him a lot (when you are getting manipulated like a marionette I guess it doesn't matter if from east or west)
jfengel 3y ago
Trump aided Russia by being impeached twice. As bad as American division had been, it's far worse now. We elected a man who threatened to throw his opponent in jail, and who claimed so loudly that the election had been stolen that hundreds of his followers invaded the US Capitol to steal it back. The US is on the verge of a massive economic crisis because of partisan combat. Russia seems happiest when the US is divided against itself. It makes cogent policy impossible. They don't need to interfere directly. All they need to do is nudge us to our own worst instincts. And electing the personification of our national id has left us utterly incapable of acting.
- ok123456 3y ago
  That was a partisan affair. The people pushing those prosecutions are just as responsible. Treating campaign puffery as real existential threat to the continuity of government and spending years pursuing very weak intelligence reports was more damaging than any thing he did.
fundad 3y ago
The obstruction was the collusion.
- the_optimist 3y ago
  This reasoning is circular. A proper investigation is predicated on evidence of a crime, of which there was none here. Most people view it as immoral to persecute under color of the law, as you advocate.
dboreham 3y ago
The Russian regime has a very strong, long term interest in turning the US into a s*t-show, and that's why they support Trump. The reason they want that is to be able to suppress movement towards democracy inside Russia. It allows them to say "see, democracy isn't all it's cracked up to be, just look at how much of a s*t-show the USA has become, move along, nothing to see here, let's get back to our mega yachts...". btw to learn more about this look for a Frontline PBS show featuring Timothy Snyder called Putin and the Presidents.
NickC25 3y ago
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Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago

> How did Trump aid Russia? Leaked US secrets with the Russian Ambassador. Secrets that cost years of political capital with Israel that had gotten those secrets. The leaked info included the name and face of a israeli spy still inside ISIS putting his life at risk. He also did not tell about this meeting to US media and the media found out after Russian gov sources posted photos of trump and 2 senior russian members giggling together in the white house Eased sanctions on multiple Russian oligarchs such as Deripaska. Also planned on removing multiple sanctions on high end tech for Russia. Told the international community he believed Crimea was Russian, despite Ukraine still claiming it as theirs. Also froze US aide to Ukraine which helped bost russian mobilisation before the invasion. In terms of PR, he publically praised Putin multiple times, defended the Russian Syrian invassion, he defended russian allied states like Belarus over the EU. Dismished condeming russian attacks and the poisoning of UK citizens. Hired Manafort, a guy condemed for running pro russian campaigns in Ukraine, as his campaign manager. Publically sided with Russia over US intelligence sources that claimed Russia was using the taliban to kill american soldiers. So how has Trump aided russia in summary: Reduced sanctions, shared classified info, talked them up internationally, hired their propaganda internationally to run his campaign and sided with russian sources over us intelligence in multiple PR nightmares. Seems pretty straight forward.

saiya-jin 3y ago
He for sure admires effective cruel dictators. You can add MBS on that list, he bragged pretty openly about 'saving his ass', which even from common media looked exactly like that. I am sure he did some good stuff, but he made sure its extremely easy to hate him by often behaving like a childish diva. Oh and for anybody in US - basically whole world outside, apart maybe from few friendly dictatorships like russia or saudi arabia, hated him during his presidency. Kind of 'insult your basic intelligence and human decency in 2 easy steps' guy. But current pro-russian, anti-covid etc crowd liked him a lot (when you are getting manipulated like a marionette I guess it doesn't matter if from east or west)

jfengel 3y ago

Trump aided Russia by being impeached twice. As bad as American division had been, it's far worse now. We elected a man who threatened to throw his opponent in jail, and who claimed so loudly that the election had been stolen that hundreds of his followers invaded the US Capitol to steal it back. The US is on the verge of a massive economic crisis because of partisan combat. Russia seems happiest when the US is divided against itself. It makes cogent policy impossible. They don't need to interfere directly. All they need to do is nudge us to our own worst instincts. And electing the personification of our national id has left us utterly incapable of acting.

ok123456 3y ago
That was a partisan affair. The people pushing those prosecutions are just as responsible. Treating campaign puffery as real existential threat to the continuity of government and spending years pursuing very weak intelligence reports was more damaging than any thing he did.

fundad 3y ago

The obstruction was the collusion.

the_optimist 3y ago
This reasoning is circular. A proper investigation is predicated on evidence of a crime, of which there was none here. Most people view it as immoral to persecute under color of the law, as you advocate.

dboreham 3y ago

The Russian regime has a very strong, long term interest in turning the US into a s*t-show, and that's why they support Trump. The reason they want that is to be able to suppress movement towards democracy inside Russia. It allows them to say "see, democracy isn't all it's cracked up to be, just look at how much of a s*t-show the USA has become, move along, nothing to see here, let's get back to our mega yachts...". btw to learn more about this look for a Frontline PBS show featuring Timothy Snyder called Putin and the Presidents.

NickC25 3y ago

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