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All law enforcement agencies have the same amount of zero oversight that the FBI has, but local police departments also get to terrorize their local communities

All law enforcement agencies have the same amount of zero oversight that the FBI has, but local police departments also get to terrorize their local communities with military hardware on top of constant monitoring with stuff like Palantir

dontupvoteme 3y ago
They listen to the mossad at least.
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  Yea because Israel is exactly the same as the US if not worse in terms of terrorizing the Palestinians
local_crmdgeon 3y ago
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- ahiknsr 3y ago
  > which is why crime is rising catastrophically and people are fleeing to states like Texas. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/texas-governor-seeks-to-pardon-man-found-guilty-of-murdering-black-lives-matter-protester https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/texas-governor-seeks-to-pa...
  - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
    Please attempt to refute the central point instead of posting non-sequitors. Engaging in good faith is what keeps this place from being Twitter.
- Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
  > which is why crime is rising catastrophically and people are fleeing to states like Texas. California violent crime rate : 25.2 / 100k Texas violent crime rate : 24.8 / 100k California property crime : 35.4 / 100k Texas property crime. : 38.0 / 100k Yep, trully a disproportionate crime rate that warrants narratives about "people fleeing", which btw is not happening, demographic movements have been pretty steady. Largest moves have been a few real state companies and some dudes with podcasts. > at some point y'all have to look at SF and say "huh, maybe we weren't right about everything" Is SF somehow not part of the american police state? Like what part of California is suddenly this leftist utopia and warrants careful consideration before american follows suit into hell? Cali is notorious for NIMBYism, where police are called by rich white liberals to keep minorities, homeless etc away. Police action is as violent and as class aware as anywhere else in the US. The SF police budget is 780 million yearly, that would put them above 60 countries on earth by gdp. The entire country of micronesia, with 500k people could work for 2 whole years and not be able to pay 1 year of the SF police budget.
  - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
    Yes, Californians and New Yorkers and Minnesotans are moving to red states in droves. Source: https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/05/21/5-charts-that-explain-the-california-and-bay-area-exodus/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/05/21/5-charts-that-explain... That's why there are fearmongering billboards going up in SF: https://www.newsweek.com/billboards-warn-california-residents-not-move-texas-after-mass-exodus-1737368 https://www.newsweek.com/billboards-warn-california-resident... Pretending that the exodus isn't happening isn't going to change the fact that SF is a failing city. Seattle, Philly, and NYC have just voted in pro-cop mayors who are running on a "fund the police" platform. Most of that vote comes from minorities, particularly Black people (in the case of Eric Adams and Cherelle Parker) Please, please, please try to address your problems today, before things get worse. Last time I was in Seattle people were shocked that I'd never seen someone shit on the street in Detroit.
    - Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
      > Californians and New Yorkers and Minnesotans are moving to red states in droves. Literally the same numbers as before the time frame. See how the number to Texas is a digit and not a percentage, because there has been no change. Also the California population change is ridiculous, the biggest drop in people was out of state students/workers not coming in during 2020 and 2021. The drop is entirely based on pandemic restrictions, by 2022 you can see the population line back to normal. > That's why there are fearmongering billboards going up in SF a yes a political stunt by a media company from Chicago, really a real problem and def something noteworthy. Holy jesus media literacy is down the drain in this country. > Pretending that the exodus isn't happening isn't going to change the fact that SF is a failing city. Exodus, fleeing, failing city. Repeating phrases from a conservative focus group is not gonna make a city that makes 600 billion a year seem a bad place. > Seattle, Philly, and NYC have just voted in pro-cop mayors who are running on a "fund the police" platform. Most of that vote comes from minorities, particularly Black people (in the case of Eric Adams and Cherelle Parker) Irrelevant. and oddly seems racist > try to address your problems today defund the police, pay for social services, free mental and social healthcare and less people in jail in the land of the free. You know, like a first world country might
xyzelement 3y ago
I hear this but I don't experience it. Living in NYC as a poor immigrant teen 1990s through upper-middle-class (or whatever) adult through 2021, I did not feel "terrorized" by the NYPD. Now I live in a small town not far from NYC and the police are literally part of the community, it's a few dozen folks that most people in town know on first name basis. No terrorizing. To be clear, as someone who grew up in the USSR, I am certainly in sync with the idea that police can be oppressive, it just does not resonate at all with what I see in my now 3 decades in the US.
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  Did you grow up as a black american? People from different communities have radically different experiences, which is why we see denials such as yours
  - xyzelement 3y ago
    Did you? FWIW I grew up very much "in the hood" in Brooklyn.
    - goolz 3y ago
      No, but I agree with them. I live in the hood and am white and live an easy life compared to those who are not. Get some perspective. EDIT: and my whole family is from BK, what was once filled with immigrants is now filled with the rich and privileged in most parts. All I am saying is that if you wanna use anecdotes so can I. Brown people in this country are systemically treated like trash. I see it every day. I don’t fear my life but I sure would if I was a 16 year old black kid in my city (Philadelphia).
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      - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        I come from the old country that has ( maybe had? ) fairly homogeneous population. We still had locations you did not go to after dark, pathology that rivaled some of the ghetto stories and police that could abuse you if they so chose ( communism - cops could really do whatever ). I posit that the issue is poverty and people. We just kinda suck as a species. I am saying it is not the skin color. I am saying it is generations of living in ways that make integration into society somewhat hard. << Get some perspective. I believe parent is correct. Immigrants from Africa are able to prosper in US, because they are not bound by culture infused in them by the 'street'. The fact is he made it out despite being the 'wrong' color.

dontupvoteme 3y ago

They listen to the mossad at least.

kevviiinn 3y ago
Yea because Israel is exactly the same as the US if not worse in terms of terrorizing the Palestinians

local_crmdgeon 3y ago

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ahiknsr 3y ago
> which is why crime is rising catastrophically and people are fleeing to states like Texas. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/texas-governor-seeks-to-pardon-man-found-guilty-of-murdering-black-lives-matter-protester https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/texas-governor-seeks-to-pa...
- local_crmdgeon 3y ago
  Please attempt to refute the central point instead of posting non-sequitors. Engaging in good faith is what keeps this place from being Twitter.
Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
> which is why crime is rising catastrophically and people are fleeing to states like Texas. California violent crime rate : 25.2 / 100k Texas violent crime rate : 24.8 / 100k California property crime : 35.4 / 100k Texas property crime. : 38.0 / 100k Yep, trully a disproportionate crime rate that warrants narratives about "people fleeing", which btw is not happening, demographic movements have been pretty steady. Largest moves have been a few real state companies and some dudes with podcasts. > at some point y'all have to look at SF and say "huh, maybe we weren't right about everything" Is SF somehow not part of the american police state? Like what part of California is suddenly this leftist utopia and warrants careful consideration before american follows suit into hell? Cali is notorious for NIMBYism, where police are called by rich white liberals to keep minorities, homeless etc away. Police action is as violent and as class aware as anywhere else in the US. The SF police budget is 780 million yearly, that would put them above 60 countries on earth by gdp. The entire country of micronesia, with 500k people could work for 2 whole years and not be able to pay 1 year of the SF police budget.
- local_crmdgeon 3y ago
  Yes, Californians and New Yorkers and Minnesotans are moving to red states in droves. Source: https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/05/21/5-charts-that-explain-the-california-and-bay-area-exodus/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/05/21/5-charts-that-explain... That's why there are fearmongering billboards going up in SF: https://www.newsweek.com/billboards-warn-california-residents-not-move-texas-after-mass-exodus-1737368 https://www.newsweek.com/billboards-warn-california-resident... Pretending that the exodus isn't happening isn't going to change the fact that SF is a failing city. Seattle, Philly, and NYC have just voted in pro-cop mayors who are running on a "fund the police" platform. Most of that vote comes from minorities, particularly Black people (in the case of Eric Adams and Cherelle Parker) Please, please, please try to address your problems today, before things get worse. Last time I was in Seattle people were shocked that I'd never seen someone shit on the street in Detroit.
  - Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
    > Californians and New Yorkers and Minnesotans are moving to red states in droves. Literally the same numbers as before the time frame. See how the number to Texas is a digit and not a percentage, because there has been no change. Also the California population change is ridiculous, the biggest drop in people was out of state students/workers not coming in during 2020 and 2021. The drop is entirely based on pandemic restrictions, by 2022 you can see the population line back to normal. > That's why there are fearmongering billboards going up in SF a yes a political stunt by a media company from Chicago, really a real problem and def something noteworthy. Holy jesus media literacy is down the drain in this country. > Pretending that the exodus isn't happening isn't going to change the fact that SF is a failing city. Exodus, fleeing, failing city. Repeating phrases from a conservative focus group is not gonna make a city that makes 600 billion a year seem a bad place. > Seattle, Philly, and NYC have just voted in pro-cop mayors who are running on a "fund the police" platform. Most of that vote comes from minorities, particularly Black people (in the case of Eric Adams and Cherelle Parker) Irrelevant. and oddly seems racist > try to address your problems today defund the police, pay for social services, free mental and social healthcare and less people in jail in the land of the free. You know, like a first world country might

xyzelement 3y ago

I hear this but I don't experience it. Living in NYC as a poor immigrant teen 1990s through upper-middle-class (or whatever) adult through 2021, I did not feel "terrorized" by the NYPD. Now I live in a small town not far from NYC and the police are literally part of the community, it's a few dozen folks that most people in town know on first name basis. No terrorizing. To be clear, as someone who grew up in the USSR, I am certainly in sync with the idea that police can be oppressive, it just does not resonate at all with what I see in my now 3 decades in the US.

kevviiinn 3y ago
Did you grow up as a black american? People from different communities have radically different experiences, which is why we see denials such as yours
- xyzelement 3y ago
  Did you? FWIW I grew up very much "in the hood" in Brooklyn.
  - goolz 3y ago
    No, but I agree with them. I live in the hood and am white and live an easy life compared to those who are not. Get some perspective. EDIT: and my whole family is from BK, what was once filled with immigrants is now filled with the rich and privileged in most parts. All I am saying is that if you wanna use anecdotes so can I. Brown people in this country are systemically treated like trash. I see it every day. I don’t fear my life but I sure would if I was a 16 year old black kid in my city (Philadelphia).
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    - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
      I come from the old country that has ( maybe had? ) fairly homogeneous population. We still had locations you did not go to after dark, pathology that rivaled some of the ghetto stories and police that could abuse you if they so chose ( communism - cops could really do whatever ). I posit that the issue is poverty and people. We just kinda suck as a species. I am saying it is not the skin color. I am saying it is generations of living in ways that make integration into society somewhat hard. << Get some perspective. I believe parent is correct. Immigrants from Africa are able to prosper in US, because they are not bound by culture infused in them by the 'street'. The fact is he made it out despite being the 'wrong' color.