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I lived in Tokyo and it was years ago, so I don't know if I'm describing the current situation. It was very common to see largish buildings in residential areas

by wrp 3y ago

I lived in Tokyo and it was years ago, so I don't know if I'm describing the current situation. It was very common to see largish buildings in residential areas which would have some barely functioning retail shop on the ground floor. Some elderly relative of the building owner would maintain the shop, and would have practically nothing to do since the shop got almost no business. I heard the whole motivation for this setup was that the building owner got a significant tax break for keeping the shop open. Income from the shop was not considered.

kaliqt 3y ago
That's not a bad thing though. It allows for the opportunity to keep it going at worst, at best, maybe they can try new things or hold on until it does become profitable. Either way, it works out to help keep the environment welcoming through culture conservation.
awongh 3y ago
yeah, I like the vibe of these shops too but maybe there’s a bit of japan fetishization for a kind of commerce that anywhere else wouldn’t make sense to have. One of the reasons for the Japanese economy’s stagnation over the last 20+ years is a lot of government spending on things that are not contributing to a healthy economy. I’m thinking about huge infrastructure projects but I’m sure this extends too many other aspects of how the economy is run.
- RajT88 3y ago
  Like extending the Shinkansen to Hokkaido? That comes to mind anyways as "Big Infrastructure".
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    That at least has some economic justification; Tokyo-Sapporo is one of the busiest air routes in the world, and more trains means free slots at chronically congested Haneda. Wasteful Big Infrastructure would more be doubling down on the seawalls that did not work in 2011 in Tohoku; in some cases those seawalls actively made things worse.
  - mc32 3y ago
    The Bridge to Hamada bridge to "nowhere" in The Sea of Japan, is a better example.
- nradov 3y ago
  The book "Dogs and Demons: Tales From the Dark Side of Modern Japan" by Alex Kerr covers this well. It's over 20 years old but not much has really changed. The Japanese government is still engaging in major capital misallocation through unnecessary infrastructure projects, and they allow insolvent companies to continue operating. https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781466804500/dogsanddemons https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781466804500/dogsanddemons
mathattack 3y ago
Also gives Grandma or Grandpa something to do. Keeps multi-generational families together. Seems economically inefficient though that’s not really the goal.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  Japanese families are largely not multigenerational in the same house. Coresidence of parents and children have fallen in half over two decades from 50% to 24%: https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article/62/5/S330/570920 https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article/62/5/S3... Here's the wikipedia article about elderly dying in Japan and being undiscovered due to being lonely and forgotten: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokushi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokushi
  - mathattack 3y ago
    Thanks for sharing! My experience is dated, and (like everywhere) Japan evolves.
    - bobthepanda 3y ago
      Japan is changing very rapidly due to its demographic transition. It is close to 50 years after the fall of fertility rate below replacement in Japan; so soon there will be increasing numbers of elders that not only do not have grandchildren, but don't have children either.

by wrp 3y ago

kaliqt 3y ago

That's not a bad thing though. It allows for the opportunity to keep it going at worst, at best, maybe they can try new things or hold on until it does become profitable. Either way, it works out to help keep the environment welcoming through culture conservation.

awongh 3y ago

yeah, I like the vibe of these shops too but maybe there’s a bit of japan fetishization for a kind of commerce that anywhere else wouldn’t make sense to have. One of the reasons for the Japanese economy’s stagnation over the last 20+ years is a lot of government spending on things that are not contributing to a healthy economy. I’m thinking about huge infrastructure projects but I’m sure this extends too many other aspects of how the economy is run.

RajT88 3y ago
Like extending the Shinkansen to Hokkaido? That comes to mind anyways as "Big Infrastructure".
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  That at least has some economic justification; Tokyo-Sapporo is one of the busiest air routes in the world, and more trains means free slots at chronically congested Haneda. Wasteful Big Infrastructure would more be doubling down on the seawalls that did not work in 2011 in Tohoku; in some cases those seawalls actively made things worse.
- mc32 3y ago
  The Bridge to Hamada bridge to "nowhere" in The Sea of Japan, is a better example.
nradov 3y ago
The book "Dogs and Demons: Tales From the Dark Side of Modern Japan" by Alex Kerr covers this well. It's over 20 years old but not much has really changed. The Japanese government is still engaging in major capital misallocation through unnecessary infrastructure projects, and they allow insolvent companies to continue operating. https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781466804500/dogsanddemons https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781466804500/dogsanddemons

mathattack 3y ago

Also gives Grandma or Grandpa something to do. Keeps multi-generational families together. Seems economically inefficient though that’s not really the goal.

bobthepanda 3y ago
Japanese families are largely not multigenerational in the same house. Coresidence of parents and children have fallen in half over two decades from 50% to 24%: https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article/62/5/S330/570920 https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article/62/5/S3... Here's the wikipedia article about elderly dying in Japan and being undiscovered due to being lonely and forgotten: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokushi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokushi
- mathattack 3y ago
  Thanks for sharing! My experience is dated, and (like everywhere) Japan evolves.
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    Japan is changing very rapidly due to its demographic transition. It is close to 50 years after the fall of fertility rate below replacement in Japan; so soon there will be increasing numbers of elders that not only do not have grandchildren, but don't have children either.