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For better or worse OSS communities organize on Discord now, having an active server where the core contributors participate is the sign of a healthy project. H

by Spivak 3y ago

For better or worse OSS communities organize on Discord now, having an active server where the core contributors participate is the sign of a healthy project. Honestly looks better than a public Slack imho and it's where they'll get the most engagement from devs. Discord is a serious thing now, I've seen enterprise products add support for Discord before Slack.

heyoni 3y ago
Free Slack tiers don’t allow searching beyond 10,000 messages so no one’s going to pick that over a free Discord server without such limitations.
- Jedd 3y ago
  Even this is no longer true - current free tier of Slack (as of a couple of months ago IIRC) is 90 days of retention, which for low-volume groups of users is even worse.
  - andreasha 3y ago
    I think they retain it but you can't access it. One Slack I'm in activated the trial and everything was there and searchable.
    - ghostpepper 3y ago
      There used to be a workaround where you can still access the full archive as an exported JSON document
      - andreasha 3y ago
        Seems to be still available for "Workspace Owners/Admins and Org Owners/Admins" https://slack.com/help/articles/201658943-Export-your-workspace-data https://slack.com/help/articles/201658943-Export-your-worksp...
ranger_danger 3y ago
Gonna have to disagree with you. Most projects I interact act with are either on IRC or Matrix, or solely communicate through some type of git web instance. Discord is actively hostile to users by randomly banning and/or phone-walling users, especially any browser or connection that cannot be fingerprinted well enough, and giving them no recourse at all, just saying "yep our automated system is working, bye". There's so many more awful things they do, just search this site to find lots more.
- Spivak 3y ago
  Hostile to users as you're describing it is just "dealing with spam at scale." I find it hard to fault a service for doing sucky things that every other large service eventually succumbs to out of necessity. I can't be on some high horse and demand this company somehow magically solve problems no one else has. Anyone who figures out how to have pseudoanonymous identities that can't be endlessly minted to evade bans that doesn't involve aggressive fingerprinting will be the internet's favorite child overnight.
  - ranger_danger 3y ago
    What about requiring a proof-of-work solution for every important request? This could make bots prohibitively expensive.
rapnie 3y ago
> For better or worse OSS communities organize on Discord now OSS communities, yes. More and more FOSS communities are on Matrix, either using matrix.org or connecting their own instance to the network. FOSS projects using FOSS tools, and decentralized for that matter too.

by Spivak 3y ago

heyoni 3y ago

Free Slack tiers don’t allow searching beyond 10,000 messages so no one’s going to pick that over a free Discord server without such limitations.

Jedd 3y ago
Even this is no longer true - current free tier of Slack (as of a couple of months ago IIRC) is 90 days of retention, which for low-volume groups of users is even worse.
- andreasha 3y ago
  I think they retain it but you can't access it. One Slack I'm in activated the trial and everything was there and searchable.
  - ghostpepper 3y ago
    There used to be a workaround where you can still access the full archive as an exported JSON document
    - andreasha 3y ago
      Seems to be still available for "Workspace Owners/Admins and Org Owners/Admins" https://slack.com/help/articles/201658943-Export-your-workspace-data https://slack.com/help/articles/201658943-Export-your-worksp...

ranger_danger 3y ago

Gonna have to disagree with you. Most projects I interact act with are either on IRC or Matrix, or solely communicate through some type of git web instance. Discord is actively hostile to users by randomly banning and/or phone-walling users, especially any browser or connection that cannot be fingerprinted well enough, and giving them no recourse at all, just saying "yep our automated system is working, bye". There's so many more awful things they do, just search this site to find lots more.

Spivak 3y ago
Hostile to users as you're describing it is just "dealing with spam at scale." I find it hard to fault a service for doing sucky things that every other large service eventually succumbs to out of necessity. I can't be on some high horse and demand this company somehow magically solve problems no one else has. Anyone who figures out how to have pseudoanonymous identities that can't be endlessly minted to evade bans that doesn't involve aggressive fingerprinting will be the internet's favorite child overnight.
- ranger_danger 3y ago
  What about requiring a proof-of-work solution for every important request? This could make bots prohibitively expensive.

rapnie 3y ago

> For better or worse OSS communities organize on Discord now OSS communities, yes. More and more FOSS communities are on Matrix, either using matrix.org or connecting their own instance to the network. FOSS projects using FOSS tools, and decentralized for that matter too.