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I assume all Tesla drivers who are frequent road trippers have a gas car too? There are 1800 Tesla chargers in the US vs. 145,000 gas stations. Also it takes

I assume all Tesla drivers who are frequent road trippers have a gas car too? There are 1800 Tesla chargers in the US vs. 145,000 gas stations. Also it takes less than three minutes to fill a gas car and gas cars are less expensive. I don't get the appeal for all their disadvantages unless your Tesla is your 2nd or 3rd car? Also Elon Musk's behavior....

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
It is usually not true. Tesla drivers often live in cities with limited parking. They can afford more than one car sure, but perhaps their $1 million town home only has one parking spot. So they can only park one car. And why have sucky acceleration ICE when you can have an EV instead? You have to choose, why not go with the better daily drive rather than the occasional long range driver? You can always rent if the trip doesn’t make sense in an EV.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  Why does anyone need the kind of acceleration that Tesla offers. You can really only fully exploit it on the track. Driving around town it's totally unnecessary. Even on a highway, as long as you can keep up with traffic that's all you need.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    You can exploit the acceleration in city driving. It’s like every stop light is a chance to cut loose from 0 to 35. Have you test driven one yet? It’s just a fun drive.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      And what about the pedestrian trying to judge whether he can cross the road, who may not be expecting a car to be leaping from stoplight to stoplight, but accelerating at the normal pace that most other cars do?
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        That’s why you go when the light is green and not red. And as long as you aren’t breaking the speed limit, you aren’t going to be getting to that pedestrian anytime soon, especially if it’s a stroad. Anyways, it’s the ICE drivers I see running stop signs all the time (come on, I thought Tesla FSD was supposed to do that???). They probably don’t have as much fun as stopping and going as EV drivers do. The regenerative breaking also makes stopping fairly simple, so there is that also.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
      > > It’s just a fun drive. 0-35 To me sounds like coitus interruptus. And I am not even a fan of 0-60 , 0-100 etc. Real fun is in corners and ICEs will always be superior compared to EVs in corners because the latter are freacking boats.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        you get a lot of your energy back via regenerative breaking, so it isn’t that wasteful. Not many corners in the city. There are lighter EVs that corner well. The real issue with an EV is that you never feel like you are going to tip over while cornering because your center of gravity is so low. Where is the fun in that?
  - RangerScience 3y ago
    That’s for top speed. Acceleration is maneuverability. In Los Angeles, I find the latter to be a lot more important than being able to go 150mph.
Mistletoe 3y ago
Elon Musk’s behavior made us cancel our second Tesla after selling our first. It makes me disappointed because the car was our favorite car of all time. But I believe you have to stand up for what you believe in and vote with your money.
flutas 3y ago
> I assume all Tesla drivers who are frequent road trippers have a gas car too? IME, a Tesla is great for a road trip. - Everyone knows when the next stop is. - Gives a good break for the driver (or to swap off at fairly consistent intervals) - Allows a nice quick break for the driver during charge. It probably comes from a misunderstanding of the charging needed. You usually only charge between a low % and what you need for the next stop. 0% to 80% at a v3 SC ends up being ~30 minutes and you usually don't even need that. By the time everyone goes to the bathroom and stretches their legs we've been ready to head out. Plus AP for lanekeep (basic, not FSDj) makes it super enjoyable.
spikels 3y ago
Teslas are now cheaper than the average care in the US after rebates. Average car price is around $48k. The Model 3 starts around $37k and the Model Y starts around $43 with current federal rebates (state and local rebates may reduce price further). Most people charge there car at home and rarely ever visit chargers.
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bdcravens 3y ago
Not a Tesla owner, but an EV owner. (Kia EV6) I drove from Houston to San Diego and back. You do have to plan, but it's not an impossible trip. Besides, using the restroom or grabbing food always takes longer than the time a gas car would fill up. Usually when I discuss EVs, I inevitably run into someone who talks about road tripping and not needing to use the restroom like it's some kind of an Olympic sport. Both my wife and I have EVs. Zero emissions are important to us. We charge at home, so never have any issues. That said, if I ever need a gas car, I'll just rent one. Doesn't make sense to keep one and pay the cost in emissions and fuel and maintenance for situations I need every few years.
JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
People claim that -in time- the monetary saving on fuel, plus the time (and hassle) saving of having to go to the pump , plus not having to go for an oil change every x miles would make them end up ahead.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

It is usually not true. Tesla drivers often live in cities with limited parking. They can afford more than one car sure, but perhaps their $1 million town home only has one parking spot. So they can only park one car. And why have sucky acceleration ICE when you can have an EV instead? You have to choose, why not go with the better daily drive rather than the occasional long range driver? You can always rent if the trip doesn’t make sense in an EV.

SoftTalker 3y ago
Why does anyone need the kind of acceleration that Tesla offers. You can really only fully exploit it on the track. Driving around town it's totally unnecessary. Even on a highway, as long as you can keep up with traffic that's all you need.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  You can exploit the acceleration in city driving. It’s like every stop light is a chance to cut loose from 0 to 35. Have you test driven one yet? It’s just a fun drive.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    And what about the pedestrian trying to judge whether he can cross the road, who may not be expecting a car to be leaping from stoplight to stoplight, but accelerating at the normal pace that most other cars do?
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      That’s why you go when the light is green and not red. And as long as you aren’t breaking the speed limit, you aren’t going to be getting to that pedestrian anytime soon, especially if it’s a stroad. Anyways, it’s the ICE drivers I see running stop signs all the time (come on, I thought Tesla FSD was supposed to do that???). They probably don’t have as much fun as stopping and going as EV drivers do. The regenerative breaking also makes stopping fairly simple, so there is that also.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    > > It’s just a fun drive. 0-35 To me sounds like coitus interruptus. And I am not even a fan of 0-60 , 0-100 etc. Real fun is in corners and ICEs will always be superior compared to EVs in corners because the latter are freacking boats.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      you get a lot of your energy back via regenerative breaking, so it isn’t that wasteful. Not many corners in the city. There are lighter EVs that corner well. The real issue with an EV is that you never feel like you are going to tip over while cornering because your center of gravity is so low. Where is the fun in that?
- RangerScience 3y ago
  That’s for top speed. Acceleration is maneuverability. In Los Angeles, I find the latter to be a lot more important than being able to go 150mph.

Mistletoe 3y ago

Elon Musk’s behavior made us cancel our second Tesla after selling our first. It makes me disappointed because the car was our favorite car of all time. But I believe you have to stand up for what you believe in and vote with your money.

flutas 3y ago

> I assume all Tesla drivers who are frequent road trippers have a gas car too? IME, a Tesla is great for a road trip. - Everyone knows when the next stop is. - Gives a good break for the driver (or to swap off at fairly consistent intervals) - Allows a nice quick break for the driver during charge. It probably comes from a misunderstanding of the charging needed. You usually only charge between a low % and what you need for the next stop. 0% to 80% at a v3 SC ends up being ~30 minutes and you usually don't even need that. By the time everyone goes to the bathroom and stretches their legs we've been ready to head out. Plus AP for lanekeep (basic, not FSDj) makes it super enjoyable.

spikels 3y ago

Teslas are now cheaper than the average care in the US after rebates. Average car price is around $48k. The Model 3 starts around $37k and the Model Y starts around $43 with current federal rebates (state and local rebates may reduce price further). Most people charge there car at home and rarely ever visit chargers.

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bdcravens 3y ago

Not a Tesla owner, but an EV owner. (Kia EV6) I drove from Houston to San Diego and back. You do have to plan, but it's not an impossible trip. Besides, using the restroom or grabbing food always takes longer than the time a gas car would fill up. Usually when I discuss EVs, I inevitably run into someone who talks about road tripping and not needing to use the restroom like it's some kind of an Olympic sport. Both my wife and I have EVs. Zero emissions are important to us. We charge at home, so never have any issues. That said, if I ever need a gas car, I'll just rent one. Doesn't make sense to keep one and pay the cost in emissions and fuel and maintenance for situations I need every few years.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

People claim that -in time- the monetary saving on fuel, plus the time (and hassle) saving of having to go to the pump , plus not having to go for an oil change every x miles would make them end up ahead.