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Since US failed to standardize chargers, Tesla will decide whether anyone is allowed to build such infrastructure. Will they allow it?

• rsynnott 3y ago
  Eh? Pretty much all US electric cars these days have CCS charger ports, don't they?
  • seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    All non-Tesla cars except for Nissan use CCS.
  • wmf 3y ago
    Not any more. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36079236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36079236
    • rsynnott 3y ago
      Looks like their current electric vehicles use CCS; I'd imagine the future ones would probably have _both_, or some sort of adaptor.
      • Robotbeat 3y ago
        That’s correct, there will be an adapter & there already is
    • recursive 3y ago
      I assumed these fords would have both. But I guess I haven't seen anything concrete about it.
  • izacus 3y ago
    Most US working charging infrastructure is Tesla plugs. Tesla also started pushing companies like Ford to adopt their proprietary charger.
    • chroma 3y ago
      It's no longer proprietary. As of last year the standard is open and anyone can adopt it without paying Tesla a dime.[1] Of course car manufacturers will have to negotiate access to Tesla's charging network, but that's also true of Electrify America. Considering the advantages of Tesla's connector (much more compact, much more popular than CCS in the US), I hope it wins. Now that Ford[2] and Aptera[3] are adopting it, I think it will. 1. https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-s... 2. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023/05/25/ford-ev-customers-to-gain-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023... 3. https://aptera.us/tesla-charging/ https://aptera.us/tesla-charging/
      • usrusr 3y ago
        Considering the Tesla patents pledge of 2014, I find it hardly surprising that manufacturers don't immediately jump at "open since 2022".
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  • Robotbeat 3y ago
    No, most US electric cars are Teslas and they use the better NACS port. Which is an open standard now. Ford will use it in the future.
    • KennyBlanken 3y ago
      There's nothing better about Supercharger connectors. CCS is now twice the voltage and supports 25% more current; the common max CCS charger power is 350KW, whereas most superchargers are at best 250KW, and often that power is shared among several stalls. Teslas use CCS2 in Europe where (ahem) they were required to, so by opening up their network, millions of cars there are out there able to use the stations since it's largely a software change. No mass-produced car uses Supercharger plugs except Teslas, so them opening up their network means only some Fords, produced at some time in the future, will be able to use them - and it's really not a plus, given the slow charging speed, and how oversubscribed many of the stations are. It's going to be fun when people with 100k Teslas can't charge because there's someone with a $35k electric Ford using a charging port... The entire mass-production auto industry save Tesla has standardized on CCS1/2. The only downside to CCS is that the US and Europe use different CCS connectors, which is a giant facepalm.
      • wilg 3y ago
        > There's nothing better about Supercharger connectors. The size, usability, and industrial design is clearly better. > CCS is now twice the voltage and supports 25% more current The max NACS/Tesla current is 1MW. > The entire mass-production auto industry save Tesla has standardized on CCS1/2. China has a different (and way crazier) plug.
        • Robotbeat 3y ago
          Right. And CCS1 sucks, mostly just used in America where there are more NACS plugs anyway. Adapters aren't a huge issue, but the base plug should be the most compact and simple one. NACS.
      • Robotbeat 3y ago