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So we know that there is definitely little benefit from ingesting fluoride, and also that we can not rule out negative effects from ingesting fluoride. This see
by paddw 3y ago
So we know that there is definitely little benefit from ingesting fluoride, and also that we can not rule out negative effects from ingesting fluoride. This seems like... a bit of a big deal?
- celdon25 3y agoIt's been known for awhile, but you'd get labelled as a conspiracy theorist for any mention of it.
- FooBarBizBazz 3y agoIt goes all the way back to Dr. Strangelove at least. There's a whole bit in there about it.
- desiarnezjr 3y agoThis organisation was big on that conspiracy (??) theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
- vharuck 3y agoAn article about their role in the original referendum on fluoridation in Wichita: https://www.kansas.com/news/article1101667.html https://www.kansas.com/news/article1101667.html And a Fresh Air interview with a historian who recently wrote a book about the John Birch Society: https://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2023/05/17/1176658584/fresh-air-for-may-17-2023-how-the-birch-society-radicalized-the-american-right?showDate=2023-05-17 https://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2023/05/17/1176658584...
- mc32 3y agoI think The Netherlands took it out of their potable/tap water some while ago (like in the '70s).
- esperent 3y agoBecause they added it to salt and toothpaste instead.
- jeroenhd 3y agoFluoride in salt? I know they put iodine in table salt, but not fluoride.
- Timon3 3y agoIn Germany you can definitely buy table salt with Fluoride in a supermarket.
- ahazred8ta 3y agoIt's available online, and stores in many countries carry it. https://www.google.com/search?q=fluoridated+salt&tbm=shop https://www.google.com/search?q=fluoridated+salt&tbm=shop
- mc32 3y agoToothpaste, for the most part, isn't swallowed. Salt, you can get any kind you want. I think this gives consumers more discretion/control over what they want to or do not want to ingest.
- esperent 3y agoYes, I agree. I was just pushing back against the common false narrative that no fluoride in tap water equals no fluoride at all. It's brought up as a fact in every online discussion about fluoride. Usually it's alongside that one study that shows naturally occurring fluoride in water is harmful to children's mental development. Which is true, but neglects to mention that the areas studied (in rural China) had levels of fluoride twenty times higher then public water fluoridation programs and that the same study also included a control group at "normal" added fluoride level and found no negative effect. Heres the study. You'll start to recognize it if you get involved in a few of these discussions. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1852689/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1852689/
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- xk_id 3y agoNot from ingestion, but exposing the enamel periodically during the day to fluoride and having trace amounts of it on your saliva supports remineralisation.
- giantg2 3y agoI would think it's pretty much impossible to have it in your mouth and not ingest any of it.
- Rufbdbskrufb473 3y agoSure, but to achieve equal remineralization, you'll likely end up ingesting orders of magnitude more fluoride when delivered via drinking water vs toothpaste.
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- koheripbal 3y agoThe harmful dose is many orders of magnitude higher than the concentration in tap water. Dose makes the poison. Literally any chemical in sufficient dose is poisonous
- Natsu 3y agoTooth decay is caused by acid produced by bacteria. It's too bad we can't displace the bacteria themselves instead of working downstream from that.
- cardamomo 3y agoThere are oral probiotics available, which aim to do just this. I'm not sure if any clinical trials have investigated their efficacy, however.
- david_l_lin 3y agoExcept that we can! The oral microbiome can be modulated to get exactly what you’re asking: remove pathogens that are good at creating acid and replacing them with ones that are good at remineralizing. Shameless plug for my company (Bristle Health) that is trying to do exactly that via oral microbiome testing and personalized recommendations and products to improve.
- dharma1 3y agoInteresting, can you tell more? I’ve tried oral probiotics without much effect. Did notice a difference for a couple of days after taking antibiotics for a week for something else, but it quickly subsided (my regular micro biome probably quickly recolonised the mouth).
- Natsu 3y agoI searched for the name and found it, seems like they ship you a test kit, then ID the microbes in your mouth and make recommendations based on that. I noticed L. ruteri in some screenshots which I already know from other probiotic uses.
- chaorace 3y agoThere are lots of "big deals" in the environment that we silently tolerate -- things which studies conclusively and repeatedly show are substantially detrimental: * Roadside air pollution * Lead pipes * Indoor CO2 buildup Studies relating to flouride are nowhere near as conclusive and show nowhere near the same magnitude of effect. If flouride is contributing negatively in a similar way, it's doing so to such a small extent that it very nearly falls within the margin of error. Anyone genuinely worried about flouride should consider double-checking that they've already taken more meaningful action regarding their health, such as going on a walk, getting a full night's rest, or opening a window.