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> The UI lags so much. The UX feels worse than accidental, almost adversarial. Now I am not sure if you are talking about Windows or Linux.

snapplebobapple 3y ago
Linux has a lot of window managers so you really have to say you aren't sure if you are talking about wibdoes or [gnome, kde, sway, hyprland, xfce,etc]. Depending on which you choose i may or may not agree with you.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  Oh I can play this too - I have no idea if by Windows you mean Windows CE, Windows Phone, Windows 3.1, Windows XP, ...
  - snapplebobapple 3y ago
    The difference being many linux window managers are in active development and recommended for use, while windows has essentially one (What is in use in Windows 11, with Windows 10 still being supported but not recommended and in process of being removed from sale, leaving only Windows 11).
sshine 3y ago
> Now I am not sure if you are talking about Windows or Linux. I will provide some context: Using Windows feels like being trapped in an elderly person's body. It is so crufty. The UI lags so much. The UX feels worse than accidental, almost adversarial. (The context is Windows.)
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  As somebody who used both, I believe that system with bad laggy and stupid UX is Linux here.
  - sshine 3y ago
    The Linux GUI landscape is deserving of a lot of criticism. However, considering almost all Linux GUI is made by individuals in their free time, it's a little hard to target this criticism. I think that if you experience laggy UI on Linux, it's most likely because you use GNOME with graphics acceleration enabled. Possibly with a graphics card driver that is not optimal for your graphics card. But even Most alternatives to vanilla GNOME are not laggy. If anything, they're overly simplistic or so modular you need to essentially build your own UI using a library.
    - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
      Laggy UI? Try KDE with composition off. (KDE cuz best DE and cuz it's the only DE I know of that lets you toggle composition between boots.) Experience untold smoothness (which also applies to games!). You just lose transparency effects and animations. Fun fact: turning composition off violates some GTK assumptions, leading to minor graphical artifacts in GTK apps, such as rounded corners (which are the default in GTK4 of course) appearing weird. In practice, this is ok since the best apps are usually Qt apps, but GTK devs' position on the matter is funny: they said, "you must always have composition on, and if you don't you're a weirdo cuz there is no reason to not have it on". GNOME mindset at work. :p You can design your GTK GUI such that it doesn't have that issue btw, but they didn't point this out; they only said what I paraphrased. And when it was pointed out that performance is a lot better without composition, even on beefy gaming PC hardware, they never replied. This is on X11, btw; I don't know the situation on Wayland, but I hope Wayland fundamentally allows you to disable composition too. Tldr GNOME sux

snapplebobapple 3y ago

Linux has a lot of window managers so you really have to say you aren't sure if you are talking about wibdoes or [gnome, kde, sway, hyprland, xfce,etc]. Depending on which you choose i may or may not agree with you.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
Oh I can play this too - I have no idea if by Windows you mean Windows CE, Windows Phone, Windows 3.1, Windows XP, ...
- snapplebobapple 3y ago
  The difference being many linux window managers are in active development and recommended for use, while windows has essentially one (What is in use in Windows 11, with Windows 10 still being supported but not recommended and in process of being removed from sale, leaving only Windows 11).

sshine 3y ago

> Now I am not sure if you are talking about Windows or Linux. I will provide some context: Using Windows feels like being trapped in an elderly person's body. It is so crufty. The UI lags so much. The UX feels worse than accidental, almost adversarial. (The context is Windows.)

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
As somebody who used both, I believe that system with bad laggy and stupid UX is Linux here.
- sshine 3y ago
  The Linux GUI landscape is deserving of a lot of criticism. However, considering almost all Linux GUI is made by individuals in their free time, it's a little hard to target this criticism. I think that if you experience laggy UI on Linux, it's most likely because you use GNOME with graphics acceleration enabled. Possibly with a graphics card driver that is not optimal for your graphics card. But even Most alternatives to vanilla GNOME are not laggy. If anything, they're overly simplistic or so modular you need to essentially build your own UI using a library.
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
    Laggy UI? Try KDE with composition off. (KDE cuz best DE and cuz it's the only DE I know of that lets you toggle composition between boots.) Experience untold smoothness (which also applies to games!). You just lose transparency effects and animations. Fun fact: turning composition off violates some GTK assumptions, leading to minor graphical artifacts in GTK apps, such as rounded corners (which are the default in GTK4 of course) appearing weird. In practice, this is ok since the best apps are usually Qt apps, but GTK devs' position on the matter is funny: they said, "you must always have composition on, and if you don't you're a weirdo cuz there is no reason to not have it on". GNOME mindset at work. :p You can design your GTK GUI such that it doesn't have that issue btw, but they didn't point this out; they only said what I paraphrased. And when it was pointed out that performance is a lot better without composition, even on beefy gaming PC hardware, they never replied. This is on X11, btw; I don't know the situation on Wayland, but I hope Wayland fundamentally allows you to disable composition too. Tldr GNOME sux