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> fractures -- the mend is in fact stronger than the break. This is also a medically incorrect statement for similar reasons to scar tissue, the resultant trab

> fractures -- the mend is in fact stronger than the break. This is also a medically incorrect statement for similar reasons to scar tissue, the resultant trabecular disorganization always results in weaker bone, even for “perfectly” healed fractures. I think the original metaphor (and even fractures) still holds but in a different way than you described. I highly doubt any of those couples (and from personal experience myself) wanted the turmoil however one feels after the fact, “made us stronger” is often a combination of dissonance and a statement that other areas of the relationship strengthened to compensate (in the fracture analogy: if you break your left leg your right one will strengthen from increased mechanical load to compensate). One would not break a bone in an attempt to make it stronger, but a broken bone can heal to near full strength and other bones in the body get stronger to compensate. If you break your bone repeatedly, it heals as a deformed structure that is considerably weaker than what you started and will break from a minor injury. If you substitute bones for relationship I think this holds. With effort it’s possible to recover from and compensate for relationship trauma and thrive as an organism/couple, but it’s still better to avoid emotional trauma to begin with (assuming it’s possible) as with physical trauma.

eastbound 3y ago
> If you break your bone repeatedly, it heals as a deformed structure that is considerably weaker So taekwondo people who train to hit concrete pillars don’t get stronger from the repeated hits, do you confirm? And “what doesn’t kill, makes you stronger” is false too?
- haldujai 3y ago
  > So taekwondo people who train to hit concrete pillars don’t get stronger from the repeated hits, do you confirm? Stress from repetitive microtrauma is not the same as a fracture (stress to failure). Increased mechanical loading (hitting a concrete pillar, exercise) can absolutely strengthen bone in a similar mechanism to decreased load weakening bones (little old lady, astronauts). Breaking a bone completely disrupts the internal architecture and what is deposited is unequivocally weaker than what was there before. > And “what doesn’t kill, makes you stronger” is false too I have no professional opinion on this aphorism. I do have one on bone healing.
- dmd 3y ago
  > And “what doesn’t kill, makes you stronger” is false too? It's absolutely false. Nearly everything that hurts you makes you weaker, not stronger.
  - pdonis 3y ago
    > Nearly everything that hurts you makes you weaker, not stronger. I think this is, at the very least, highly variable from person to person.
    - dmd 3y ago
      Why isn't it standard medical practice, then, to have each of your major bones broken in series, for example?
      - pdonis 3y ago
        My claim was not that everything that hurts you must make you stronger, not weaker. I only made the much weaker claim that what fraction of things that hurt you make you weaker, not stronger, is highly variable from person to person. That does not imply that anyone would be made stronger by having each of their major bones broken--still less that doing so should be standard practice, just to see if it makes some people stronger. Having a major bone broken might not be in the set of things that makes anyone stronger by hurting them. There are lots of things that hurt besides having a major bone broken. Many of them do not do any physical damage to you at all.
- denial 3y ago
  Hormesis-- it's all about the amount. Those taekwondo practioners are inducing microfractures rather than gross fractures.
- wongarsu 3y ago
  Loading your bones close to the breaking point does make them stronger. At least as long as you give them time to recover in between, otherwise you get a stress fracture. It's a balancing act. Do it well and you get stronger, overdo it everything spirals downwards. Same for most of the rest of your body. If something gets close enough to killing you, it will definitely make you weaker.

eastbound 3y ago

> If you break your bone repeatedly, it heals as a deformed structure that is considerably weaker So taekwondo people who train to hit concrete pillars don’t get stronger from the repeated hits, do you confirm? And “what doesn’t kill, makes you stronger” is false too?

haldujai 3y ago
> So taekwondo people who train to hit concrete pillars don’t get stronger from the repeated hits, do you confirm? Stress from repetitive microtrauma is not the same as a fracture (stress to failure). Increased mechanical loading (hitting a concrete pillar, exercise) can absolutely strengthen bone in a similar mechanism to decreased load weakening bones (little old lady, astronauts). Breaking a bone completely disrupts the internal architecture and what is deposited is unequivocally weaker than what was there before. > And “what doesn’t kill, makes you stronger” is false too I have no professional opinion on this aphorism. I do have one on bone healing.
dmd 3y ago
> And “what doesn’t kill, makes you stronger” is false too? It's absolutely false. Nearly everything that hurts you makes you weaker, not stronger.
- pdonis 3y ago
  > Nearly everything that hurts you makes you weaker, not stronger. I think this is, at the very least, highly variable from person to person.
  - dmd 3y ago
    Why isn't it standard medical practice, then, to have each of your major bones broken in series, for example?
    - pdonis 3y ago
      My claim was not that everything that hurts you must make you stronger, not weaker. I only made the much weaker claim that what fraction of things that hurt you make you weaker, not stronger, is highly variable from person to person. That does not imply that anyone would be made stronger by having each of their major bones broken--still less that doing so should be standard practice, just to see if it makes some people stronger. Having a major bone broken might not be in the set of things that makes anyone stronger by hurting them. There are lots of things that hurt besides having a major bone broken. Many of them do not do any physical damage to you at all.
denial 3y ago
Hormesis-- it's all about the amount. Those taekwondo practioners are inducing microfractures rather than gross fractures.
wongarsu 3y ago
Loading your bones close to the breaking point does make them stronger. At least as long as you give them time to recover in between, otherwise you get a stress fracture. It's a balancing act. Do it well and you get stronger, overdo it everything spirals downwards. Same for most of the rest of your body. If something gets close enough to killing you, it will definitely make you weaker.