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To most people, if it's not on Steam, it doesn't exist, especially on a Steam Deck. So while anyone can still install it outside of Steam, by not being availabl

To most people, if it's not on Steam, it doesn't exist, especially on a Steam Deck. So while anyone can still install it outside of Steam, by not being available via Steam their possible audience is significantly reduced.

bigDinosaur 3y ago
Is this so true of emulators? Emulators already often require lots of work to go find the games themselves (which certainly would not be distributed on Steam), so how much effort is actually spared for the users? Very little.
- asveikau 3y ago
  > Emulators already often require lots of work to go find the games themselves That used to be true, but today, ROM sites are very easily discoverable on Google. People also sell ROMs on hard drives and SD cards on Amazon, many of them qualifying for Prime delivery.
  - wtallis 3y ago
    > That used to be true, but today, ROM sites are very easily discoverable on Google. I'm pretty sure it hasn't been true at any point in the past 25 years. ROM sites have always been easy to find, even pre-Google.
    - asveikau 3y ago
      I used to find them on IRC fserves. I first started doing that maybe 26 years ago. Using an IRC client and a command line, so not stuff most people off the street would be familiar with. Later on I remember them being traded on apps like Hotline. I don't recall it being super easy in the few years after that. It wasn't a mainstream thing, you had to know a little bit about the communities involved.
bowsamic 3y ago
Yes but if you make an emulator available to most people, most people are going to use it for piracy, and you are obviously going to attract a lot of attention from the law. I'm not saying that emulation should be illegal, but really this is a case where I am literally not surprised at all that Nintendo would act
- das_keyboard 3y ago
  But is it really piracy if there is no way to buy and play the original game except for completely overpriced second-hand stuff? I now it is legally, but morally I don't think people are doing something wrong here.
  - _aavaa_ 3y ago
    Is it? Yes. Should it be? No.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    That really is irrelevant. Companies don't want it to be there, and will use their immense powers to try and stop it being there. It isn't worth the risk of trying to put it on Steam
  - numpad0 3y ago
    That view is just a result of massive cultural/language barrier between ja-JP and en-US(-gaming) community. Not a global thing.
dgellow 3y ago
Dolphin is by far the most well known emulator in its category. Honestly emulators don’t really have their place on a game marketplace, that would really just be an incentive for people who want to easily pirate games for free. Anyone interested in emulating a Wii or GameCube for legitimate reasons will easily find Dolphin and can install it on their Steam Deck.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  > Anyone interested...will easily find Dolphin and can install it on their Steam Deck. Anyone? Really, anyone? rubs forehead It's easier to have it on Steam. When I was 15, 25 even, maybe I'm so excited and hellbent on getting an emulator that I actively figure out the 10 step process to sideload. As a casual, it's much nicer when it's one step.
  - chungy 3y ago
    > maybe I'm so excited and hellbent on getting an emulator that I actively figure out the 10 step process to sideload. Steam Deck isn't locked down. From Steam itself, you just "exit to desktop", and bam you're met with a KDE desktop. Running Linux. You can do whatever you want. Including installing emulators and games that aren't distributed on Steam. It only takes one step: "flatpak install dolphin-emu"
- account42 3y ago
  > Honestly emulators don’t really have their place on a game marketplace, that would really just be an incentive for people who want to easily pirate games for free. So what? If Nintendo fails to provide a way to buy the games on that device its on them. We really don't need to make excuses for corporations generating unneccesary E-waste due to their greed.
i2cmaster 3y ago
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bigDinosaur 3y ago

Is this so true of emulators? Emulators already often require lots of work to go find the games themselves (which certainly would not be distributed on Steam), so how much effort is actually spared for the users? Very little.

asveikau 3y ago
> Emulators already often require lots of work to go find the games themselves That used to be true, but today, ROM sites are very easily discoverable on Google. People also sell ROMs on hard drives and SD cards on Amazon, many of them qualifying for Prime delivery.
- wtallis 3y ago
  > That used to be true, but today, ROM sites are very easily discoverable on Google. I'm pretty sure it hasn't been true at any point in the past 25 years. ROM sites have always been easy to find, even pre-Google.
  - asveikau 3y ago
    I used to find them on IRC fserves. I first started doing that maybe 26 years ago. Using an IRC client and a command line, so not stuff most people off the street would be familiar with. Later on I remember them being traded on apps like Hotline. I don't recall it being super easy in the few years after that. It wasn't a mainstream thing, you had to know a little bit about the communities involved.

bowsamic 3y ago

Yes but if you make an emulator available to most people, most people are going to use it for piracy, and you are obviously going to attract a lot of attention from the law. I'm not saying that emulation should be illegal, but really this is a case where I am literally not surprised at all that Nintendo would act

das_keyboard 3y ago
But is it really piracy if there is no way to buy and play the original game except for completely overpriced second-hand stuff? I now it is legally, but morally I don't think people are doing something wrong here.
- _aavaa_ 3y ago
  Is it? Yes. Should it be? No.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  That really is irrelevant. Companies don't want it to be there, and will use their immense powers to try and stop it being there. It isn't worth the risk of trying to put it on Steam
- numpad0 3y ago
  That view is just a result of massive cultural/language barrier between ja-JP and en-US(-gaming) community. Not a global thing.

dgellow 3y ago

Dolphin is by far the most well known emulator in its category. Honestly emulators don’t really have their place on a game marketplace, that would really just be an incentive for people who want to easily pirate games for free. Anyone interested in emulating a Wii or GameCube for legitimate reasons will easily find Dolphin and can install it on their Steam Deck.

refulgentis 3y ago
> Anyone interested...will easily find Dolphin and can install it on their Steam Deck. Anyone? Really, anyone? rubs forehead It's easier to have it on Steam. When I was 15, 25 even, maybe I'm so excited and hellbent on getting an emulator that I actively figure out the 10 step process to sideload. As a casual, it's much nicer when it's one step.
- chungy 3y ago
  > maybe I'm so excited and hellbent on getting an emulator that I actively figure out the 10 step process to sideload. Steam Deck isn't locked down. From Steam itself, you just "exit to desktop", and bam you're met with a KDE desktop. Running Linux. You can do whatever you want. Including installing emulators and games that aren't distributed on Steam. It only takes one step: "flatpak install dolphin-emu"
account42 3y ago
> Honestly emulators don’t really have their place on a game marketplace, that would really just be an incentive for people who want to easily pirate games for free. So what? If Nintendo fails to provide a way to buy the games on that device its on them. We really don't need to make excuses for corporations generating unneccesary E-waste due to their greed.

i2cmaster 3y ago

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