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SourceWatch on California Policy Center https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/California_Policy_Center https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/California_Policy_

SourceWatch on California Policy Center https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/California_Policy_Center https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/California_Policy_Cent...

poorbutdebtfree 3y ago
The fact checkers agree with Source Watch.
mellosouls 3y ago
A left wing pressure group identifies the article publisher as a right wing pressure group. Ok, cool, but whatever the quality of the arguments in the article that's probably not the devastating hammer blow to defeat them.
- pstuart 3y ago
  Many of their points are valid and should be addressed, but the criticism is rather narrow. Case in point: homelessness. Yes, it's a huge problem, but San Francisco is a dumping ground for the homeless, e.g., other states buy one-way bus tickets for their indigents/miscreants to shift the burden. It's a national issue that needs to be addressed on a national level. Then there was this pandemic thingy, and the WFH shift has decimated the office worker economy. So they blame it all on "crime, vagrancy, and drugs" without any note of the the external pressure helping to create those problems. That said, the pols should always have their feet to the fire on their ability to do their damn jobs and be responsible.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    A lot of states give prisoners open bus tickets on release if they have no one coming to pick them up. They are not technically sending them to LA, SF, Portland, or Seattle, but where else are they going to go? Living outside in LA is much better than doing the same in Houston. But this is another point of the problem: anyone who solves the problem well is bound to just attract more of the problem. People are not immobile, and will move to where they have the best chance of surviving, so if Seattle is rumored to be handing out tiny houses to the unhoused, it will simply attract more of the problem. Whatever local resources are thrown at the problem will not make a noticeable dent in the problem locally (though the national problem will get some small improvement relative to its size).
    - pstuart 3y ago
      My second paragraph explicitly said it: it's a national issue and can only be solved at that level. It would be collectively cheaper and far more humane to boot.
      - politician 3y ago
        This is just an excuse for why the party with decades of majority rule has failed to solve problems at the city and state levels. Why would the federal government be able to solve a problem that California has failed to address? California has a larger economy than many nations! The correct solution for individuals is to move out of these mismanaged high density areas.
    - fmajid 3y ago
      SF does not solve the homeless problem, but there is good money to be made in the welfare-industrial complex pretending to help. Salt Lake City, that bastion of left-liberalism (/s) does a much better job, specially at preventing vulnerable people from becoming homeless in the first place. Ultimately SF’s problems are well understood and the solutions as well, but there is no political will to confront the entrenched interests that led to this and an apathetic electorate that does not demand accountability is responsible.
      - adammarples 3y ago
        The solutions to homelessness are well understood? What are they?
        pstuart 3y ago
        House the people. It's that simple. The hard part is finding affordable ways to do so. This is compounded by the fact that a large portion of the homeless suffer from mental health problems (my mother was in that boat). On the mental health front, we need to collectively find a way to institutionalize the mentally ill in a manner that is fair and humane. That should include indigent drug addicts who are unable to care for themselves.
  - zmnd 3y ago
    But at the same time, groups who are responsible to resolve the homeless issue quote that only 8% of people are out of state based on HIRD research. So what is it?
- Convolutional 3y ago
  > A left wing pressure group identifies the article publisher as a right wing pressure group. If we look at the author section of the website, it lists former members of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, members of the American Enterprise Institute etc. Also the "left wing pressure group" says IRS filings show the Koch brothers fund the CPC. The reader can look at the facts, some on their own web site, and decide if they are a right wing pressure group or not.
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SourceWatch on California Policy Center https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/California_Policy_Center https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/California_Policy_Cent...

poorbutdebtfree 3y ago

The fact checkers agree with Source Watch.

mellosouls 3y ago

A left wing pressure group identifies the article publisher as a right wing pressure group. Ok, cool, but whatever the quality of the arguments in the article that's probably not the devastating hammer blow to defeat them.

pstuart 3y ago
Many of their points are valid and should be addressed, but the criticism is rather narrow. Case in point: homelessness. Yes, it's a huge problem, but San Francisco is a dumping ground for the homeless, e.g., other states buy one-way bus tickets for their indigents/miscreants to shift the burden. It's a national issue that needs to be addressed on a national level. Then there was this pandemic thingy, and the WFH shift has decimated the office worker economy. So they blame it all on "crime, vagrancy, and drugs" without any note of the the external pressure helping to create those problems. That said, the pols should always have their feet to the fire on their ability to do their damn jobs and be responsible.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  A lot of states give prisoners open bus tickets on release if they have no one coming to pick them up. They are not technically sending them to LA, SF, Portland, or Seattle, but where else are they going to go? Living outside in LA is much better than doing the same in Houston. But this is another point of the problem: anyone who solves the problem well is bound to just attract more of the problem. People are not immobile, and will move to where they have the best chance of surviving, so if Seattle is rumored to be handing out tiny houses to the unhoused, it will simply attract more of the problem. Whatever local resources are thrown at the problem will not make a noticeable dent in the problem locally (though the national problem will get some small improvement relative to its size).
  - pstuart 3y ago
    My second paragraph explicitly said it: it's a national issue and can only be solved at that level. It would be collectively cheaper and far more humane to boot.
    - politician 3y ago
      This is just an excuse for why the party with decades of majority rule has failed to solve problems at the city and state levels. Why would the federal government be able to solve a problem that California has failed to address? California has a larger economy than many nations! The correct solution for individuals is to move out of these mismanaged high density areas.
  - fmajid 3y ago
    SF does not solve the homeless problem, but there is good money to be made in the welfare-industrial complex pretending to help. Salt Lake City, that bastion of left-liberalism (/s) does a much better job, specially at preventing vulnerable people from becoming homeless in the first place. Ultimately SF’s problems are well understood and the solutions as well, but there is no political will to confront the entrenched interests that led to this and an apathetic electorate that does not demand accountability is responsible.
    - adammarples 3y ago
      The solutions to homelessness are well understood? What are they?
      - pstuart 3y ago
        House the people. It's that simple. The hard part is finding affordable ways to do so. This is compounded by the fact that a large portion of the homeless suffer from mental health problems (my mother was in that boat). On the mental health front, we need to collectively find a way to institutionalize the mentally ill in a manner that is fair and humane. That should include indigent drug addicts who are unable to care for themselves.
- zmnd 3y ago
  But at the same time, groups who are responsible to resolve the homeless issue quote that only 8% of people are out of state based on HIRD research. So what is it?
Convolutional 3y ago
> A left wing pressure group identifies the article publisher as a right wing pressure group. If we look at the author section of the website, it lists former members of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, members of the American Enterprise Institute etc. Also the "left wing pressure group" says IRS filings show the Koch brothers fund the CPC. The reader can look at the facts, some on their own web site, and decide if they are a right wing pressure group or not.

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