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I wonder what lessons the United States government has learned from this event. If a war breaks out between the U.S. and China, what policies (if any) would th

I wonder what lessons the United States government has learned from this event. If a war breaks out between the U.S. and China, what policies (if any) would the government potentially implement differently to its residents of Chinese descent?

blululu 3y ago
We would probably just do what we did with Italian and German Americans during WWII, or Saudi Americans after 9/11. At the Federal level this means widespread and intensive surveillance to find actual threats. At the social level this would be uncoordinated actions arising from general suspicion and distrust. This would result in small scale outbreaks of violence, boycotts, subtle insistence that on taking an ultra-pro-America stance on most issues. The War years were not going to be good for the Japanese Americans regardless of Federal policy, but mass internment was the so clearly the wrong policy and there is no reason that we should even consider repeating it. Assuming that everyone is a threat therefore we must suspend haebeus corpus and have them arrested indefinitely for nothing is generally not a great idea.
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  'Suspension of habeus corpus' (ie unlawful detainment) seems to underline USA's global reach somewhat. Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo) still exists, does it not. I know Biden has sought to empty it. For the last several decades (my lifetime) it's always seemed that no matter where in the World you might be, if the country is not an enemy of USA, there's a chance you [I mean, a person, not me specifically] could be whisked away to perpetual imprisonment in USA, for something perhaps as trivial as copyright infringement and the local government would just kinda shrug. Perhaps it's closer to failure to follow due process, rather than habeus corpus. Maybe that's not a balanced view of USA's projection of soft power. It mirrors the fear some in USA have of rogue cops. Does it feel to you like the World, or just USA, had improved here? Tribalism seems as strong as ever.
BaseballPhysics 3y ago
The closest analog is probably the post-9/11 environment, and while, thankfully, no one suggested firing up concentration camps, the rise of racial profiling by both civilians and government was still deeply troubling.
- LeonB 3y ago
  Remember too, much more recent: “Executive Order 13769”, 45’s “Muslim ban” - absolutely horrific policy, just six years ago.
SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago
Certain states already explicitly bar Chinese people from owning property or renting property because they’re considered as foreign adversary. Louisiana just passed such a bill, with carve outs for legal immigrants and citizens, and carve outs for residential property. But it explicitly lists China as a nation of origin that is barred from landownership. Other states already have similar laws ready to go.
- FpUser 3y ago
  >"Certain states already explicitly bar Chinese people from owning property or renting property" In cases it also includes dual nationals. I guess they're declaring 2 classes of Americans. Way to go.
- q1w2 3y ago
  To be clear, US citizens (whether they are also Chinese citizens or not), are never barred from buying land anywhere in the US.
inconceivable 3y ago
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/antonin-scalia-internment-ruling-103079 https://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/antonin-scalia-intern... "it could happen again" any asian american (chinese or otherwise) would tell you the same. most others would insist that it's impossible. i don't think it's a coincidence that scalia is italian and has this opinion.
csomar 3y ago
> I wonder what lessons the United States government has learned from this event. Nothing. There are no regrets there but now that things are stable (kinda), it's a good idea to have remorse to calm down people. > If a war breaks out between the U.S. and China, what policies (if any) would the government potentially implement differently to its residents of Chinese descent? That will depend on the perception of the US government for these people, for the popular opinion and for the revenge mentality level of the current ruling class. Remember, this happened very recently. They were all labeled "Oligarchs" whatever that means. They were not oligarchs yesterday or when they bought the properties? But now they are "enemies" so everything is justified as such. And the people applauded!
q1w2 3y ago
The trigger for Japanese camps was in the aftermath of the attack on Pearl Harbor when a couple Japanese Americans help hide and protect a downed Japanese pilot on one of the Hawaiian islands. The report was widely published and cause mass hysteria against what was perceived at treacherous Japanese Americans. Unfortunately, the media really pushed that narrative.

blululu 3y ago

We would probably just do what we did with Italian and German Americans during WWII, or Saudi Americans after 9/11. At the Federal level this means widespread and intensive surveillance to find actual threats. At the social level this would be uncoordinated actions arising from general suspicion and distrust. This would result in small scale outbreaks of violence, boycotts, subtle insistence that on taking an ultra-pro-America stance on most issues. The War years were not going to be good for the Japanese Americans regardless of Federal policy, but mass internment was the so clearly the wrong policy and there is no reason that we should even consider repeating it. Assuming that everyone is a threat therefore we must suspend haebeus corpus and have them arrested indefinitely for nothing is generally not a great idea.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago
'Suspension of habeus corpus' (ie unlawful detainment) seems to underline USA's global reach somewhat. Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo) still exists, does it not. I know Biden has sought to empty it. For the last several decades (my lifetime) it's always seemed that no matter where in the World you might be, if the country is not an enemy of USA, there's a chance you [I mean, a person, not me specifically] could be whisked away to perpetual imprisonment in USA, for something perhaps as trivial as copyright infringement and the local government would just kinda shrug. Perhaps it's closer to failure to follow due process, rather than habeus corpus. Maybe that's not a balanced view of USA's projection of soft power. It mirrors the fear some in USA have of rogue cops. Does it feel to you like the World, or just USA, had improved here? Tribalism seems as strong as ever.

BaseballPhysics 3y ago

The closest analog is probably the post-9/11 environment, and while, thankfully, no one suggested firing up concentration camps, the rise of racial profiling by both civilians and government was still deeply troubling.

LeonB 3y ago
Remember too, much more recent: “Executive Order 13769”, 45’s “Muslim ban” - absolutely horrific policy, just six years ago.

SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago

Certain states already explicitly bar Chinese people from owning property or renting property because they’re considered as foreign adversary. Louisiana just passed such a bill, with carve outs for legal immigrants and citizens, and carve outs for residential property. But it explicitly lists China as a nation of origin that is barred from landownership. Other states already have similar laws ready to go.

FpUser 3y ago
>"Certain states already explicitly bar Chinese people from owning property or renting property" In cases it also includes dual nationals. I guess they're declaring 2 classes of Americans. Way to go.
q1w2 3y ago
To be clear, US citizens (whether they are also Chinese citizens or not), are never barred from buying land anywhere in the US.

inconceivable 3y ago

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/antonin-scalia-internment-ruling-103079 https://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/antonin-scalia-intern... "it could happen again" any asian american (chinese or otherwise) would tell you the same. most others would insist that it's impossible. i don't think it's a coincidence that scalia is italian and has this opinion.

csomar 3y ago

> I wonder what lessons the United States government has learned from this event. Nothing. There are no regrets there but now that things are stable (kinda), it's a good idea to have remorse to calm down people. > If a war breaks out between the U.S. and China, what policies (if any) would the government potentially implement differently to its residents of Chinese descent? That will depend on the perception of the US government for these people, for the popular opinion and for the revenge mentality level of the current ruling class. Remember, this happened very recently. They were all labeled "Oligarchs" whatever that means. They were not oligarchs yesterday or when they bought the properties? But now they are "enemies" so everything is justified as such. And the people applauded!

q1w2 3y ago

The trigger for Japanese camps was in the aftermath of the attack on Pearl Harbor when a couple Japanese Americans help hide and protect a downed Japanese pilot on one of the Hawaiian islands. The report was widely published and cause mass hysteria against what was perceived at treacherous Japanese Americans. Unfortunately, the media really pushed that narrative.