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I think this comment is a bit out of date, especially if you’ve been watching JS from a distance for the past couple decades. This would’ve been true circa 2014

I think this comment is a bit out of date, especially if you’ve been watching JS from a distance for the past couple decades. This would’ve been true circa 2014. In 2023 it’s obsolete. There’s one framework that won, that’s all you have to learn, as far as the industry goes (as opposed to hobbyists) it’s been decided. React won. React is the framework you learn. “Popular frameworks for the past 6 years” - React has been dominant over that entire time period, from beginning to end. React is what you would’ve reached for 6 years ago (it was already mature then, in 2017) and it’s what you’d turn to now. This is what I mean. You could update your React code to use hooks instead of classes - or you could not, it will continue to work if you don’t. The “JS changes all the time” take is frankly out of date in 2023. “Which framework do I learn…” you learn React, the framework that won. It’s pretty much that simple.

SanderNL 3y ago
That’s a bubble. You are in a bubble. React is dominant, sure, like the US is dominant, but it’s not The World.
- Hermitian909 3y ago
  The important part is that it's a bubble you can choose to live in. Companies everywhere use React and almost no one need ever choose to learn something else. As long as you know it you will be employable for another 20 years, just like with Java.
  - genmud 3y ago
    But people in that bubble keep shaming people who aren’t… and react keeps changing, so it’s not like you learn it once, it requires careful study and understanding of all the different permutations that are used in different environments. You generally can’t go from company A to company B who both use react and have the same calling convention, code structure or tool chains even though they are both using react.
  - SanderNL 3y ago
    Ouch, 20 years? I sincerely hope so for their sake, but I wouldn’t bet 10 dollars on it.
    - 59nadir 3y ago
      20 years is very optimistic; React is already losing users: https://2022.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/front-end-frameworks/ https://2022.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/front-end-framewo... Retention shows a clear trend for all frameworks and even in general conversation Solid.js has been taking up more and more of peoples' attention with signals. The compound advertisement of hearing about Svelte and why it's always going to be faster than React because of not having a VDOM along with Solid.js will make a dent in React and it will become the next Angular. 20 years is not going to happen.
kkapelon 3y ago
> React won. React is the framework you learn So nobody should learn AngularJS any more?
- markmark 3y ago
  Nope.
jdthedisciple 3y ago
I don't use React. Only VanillaJS. And my clients are happy it seems. So React clearly isn't the only choice, unless you're a new graduate with no clue about anything, then sure start with React.
genmud 3y ago
Hard disagree… react is probably one of the best examples of this. React 15/16/17/18 over this period of time is a nightmare to maintain for people who don’t keep up with react if they want to casually jump in or out of. If you built an app in react 16 and wanted to upgrade to 18, using the documentation it almost resembles 2 different frameworks. Sure, maybe the code executes, but all the js devs would be like “why did you write it like that”?

SanderNL 3y ago

That’s a bubble. You are in a bubble. React is dominant, sure, like the US is dominant, but it’s not The World.

Hermitian909 3y ago
The important part is that it's a bubble you can choose to live in. Companies everywhere use React and almost no one need ever choose to learn something else. As long as you know it you will be employable for another 20 years, just like with Java.
- genmud 3y ago
  But people in that bubble keep shaming people who aren’t… and react keeps changing, so it’s not like you learn it once, it requires careful study and understanding of all the different permutations that are used in different environments. You generally can’t go from company A to company B who both use react and have the same calling convention, code structure or tool chains even though they are both using react.
- SanderNL 3y ago
  Ouch, 20 years? I sincerely hope so for their sake, but I wouldn’t bet 10 dollars on it.
  - 59nadir 3y ago
    20 years is very optimistic; React is already losing users: https://2022.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/front-end-frameworks/ https://2022.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/front-end-framewo... Retention shows a clear trend for all frameworks and even in general conversation Solid.js has been taking up more and more of peoples' attention with signals. The compound advertisement of hearing about Svelte and why it's always going to be faster than React because of not having a VDOM along with Solid.js will make a dent in React and it will become the next Angular. 20 years is not going to happen.

kkapelon 3y ago

> React won. React is the framework you learn So nobody should learn AngularJS any more?

markmark 3y ago
Nope.

jdthedisciple 3y ago

I don't use React. Only VanillaJS. And my clients are happy it seems. So React clearly isn't the only choice, unless you're a new graduate with no clue about anything, then sure start with React.

genmud 3y ago

Hard disagree… react is probably one of the best examples of this. React 15/16/17/18 over this period of time is a nightmare to maintain for people who don’t keep up with react if they want to casually jump in or out of. If you built an app in react 16 and wanted to upgrade to 18, using the documentation it almost resembles 2 different frameworks. Sure, maybe the code executes, but all the js devs would be like “why did you write it like that”?