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If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from gr
by resolutebat 3y ago
If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.
- tallytarik 3y agoOut of curiosity, what did you prefer about the Tesla over the Polestar?
- resolutebat 3y agoThe minimalist cabin is the obvious one: it's more spacious and feels much more spacious thanks to the glass roof. I did have severe doubts about the touchscreen and lack of controls, but in practice this has been a non-issue, there are tactile controls for everything you need to actually drive and voice controls for everything you don't (climate, music, etc). The glove box is just stupid though.
- dieortin 3y agoYou do realize this has nothing to do with it being built from the start as an electric vehicle right? And as far as I know, the polestar is designed as an EV too.
- resolutebat 3y agoThe Polestar 2 is built on Volvo/Geely's CMA platform and is very similar to the ICE Volvo XC40. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Modular_Architecture_platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Modular_Architecture_p...
- killjoywashere 3y agoMeh, my wife was grooving for a Polestar so I rented a Polestar 1 for a weekend and we both came away feeling like it was good to rent because we definitely didn’t want to buy it. It was like the Swedes put all their effort into the material design and gave no shits about the UX. The UX was something Ford would have been proud of in 2009.
- elif 3y agoIt really does though.. the model Y storage area folds flat completely and my 6'5 self can lay flat with extra leg room and sit up straight with plenty of headroom. There is no body designed around the constraints of routing exhaust or transmission elements. It is just an empty box.
- comte7092 3y agoThe polestar 2 is built off of an ICE platform. The first polestar built off of a dedicated EV platform will be the polestar 3.
- cperciva 3y agofeels much more spacious thanks to the glass roof. My Polestar 2 has a glass roof too. I think it's part of the "plus" pack?
- resolutebat 3y agoThe Polestar 2 glass roof is a little glass pane cut into the roof that costs $5000 extra. On the Model 3/Y, the entire roof is glass.
- cjrp 3y agoLooks pretty big https://www.polestar.com/au/polestar-2/panoramic-roof/ https://www.polestar.com/au/polestar-2/panoramic-roof/
- innocentoldguy 3y agoI went with a Tesla over a Polestar because the Tesla has more range, is a lot more efficient, and has more power than the Polestar.
- bdcravens 3y agoThe eGMP platform options from Hyundai (Hyundia Ioniq 5 and 6, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60) were also built in a dedicated manner. While I have an EV6 (and my wife an ID.4), if I was on the market now, there's a ton of low-mileage Model 3 and Y out there, and the prices have come down significantly.
- jmcphers 3y agoI test drove a Tesla and an EV6 and wound up with the EV6. Tesla's got a lot going for them but their lead is quickly evaporating.
- andruby 3y agoI looked at both too, and bought a model Y. What were the deciding factors for you? I liked the Tesla software and easy supercharger access. The model Y also felt more spacious, especially in the trunk. I would summarise it as a much better UX in the model Y.
- jmcphers 3y agoFor me, deciding factors: - Cockpit -- EV6 has a panoramic (horizontal) display, plentiful buttons, and a heads-up display. I found this much more ergonomic for my eyes and hands than Tesla's all-in-one center-mounted display. - Availability of Android Auto/CarPlay -- Tesla's software is more polished than Kia's but I'd rather project my phone. All my stuff's on it. - EV6 is the #1 recommendation for its class in Consumer Reports as well as #1 in projected dependability for same.
- yurishimo 3y agoThe supercharger access is only a factor in the US. Some people really enjoy the vehicle-to-load capabilities of the EV-6. Aesthetics both internally and externally I think are bit nicer on the EV-6, but that's subjective.
- bdcravens 3y agoI cancelled a Model 3 order and went with an EV6. My reasons: - quality concerns (which possibly are overstated for the average purchase) - worries over phantom braking - V2L - CarPlay - I was swayed by Elon's politics, but that likely wouldn't have mattered if it had been a slam dunk decision for me. - Supercharger network is a lesser concern for me, as I own my home. I did do a road trip from Houston to San Diego and back. As far as I could tell, between major cities, EA vs Supercharger coverage was equivalent along the relatively unpopulated stretches of I-10 and I-8 However, given the price differential now vs then, I would likely go for a low mileage used Model 3 now.
- bushbaba 3y agoHave you driven an id4? Similar to Tesla the id platform was built for EVs.
- innocentoldguy 3y agoI'm a huge fan of VW, but the ID.4 is pretty gutless compared to any Tesla model. That may appeal to some people, but I like speeding; a lot.
- nekoashide 3y agoI watched Doug DeMuro latest video on the ID.4 and he says it's not fast. On one hand performance might not be needed for a people mover. On the other hand people expect EV's to have superior performance.
- bushbaba 3y agoFaster than a CRV, RAV4 etc. market for id4 isn’t looking for 0-60 that’s 3 secs. It’s plenty fast for what it is.
- bitsoda 3y agoThe 2024 ID.4 will likely have an option for their new APP550 motor which will produce 282 hp and a maximum torque of 406 lb-ft. This should help bring it in line with the Y, but probably at a higher cost initially until they can scale production.
- princevegeta89 3y agoOff topic, but Musk v2.0 after the pandemic has been acting as a madman, and making pricing changes all over the board. We booked a Y, but the problem is they removed the $100 per month EAP subscription which could be a real beater for using it in an on-demand basis. Hopefully it comes back.
- throwaway2037 3y agoIs EAP "Enhanced Auto-Pilot" (self-driving)?
- princevegeta89 3y agoYeah, it's the enhanced autopilot. It's not self- driving though, the only thing it does on its own is change lanes automatically and park itself and come out of a parking spot to get you
- fnord77 3y agoThe Kia EV6 is a ground up EV and is better in every way than the Model Y
- pulse7 3y agoEV6 has V2L while Model Y has no V2L... (V2L = Vehicle-to-Load = connect any electric appliance to your car with standard 110V/230V socket...)
- dmd 3y agoFor all those times I'm sitting out in the driveway and want to plug in a refrigerator? I honestly cannot figure out what to do with that feature.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoExactly that. When the power goes out you use an extension cord between your car and the refrigerator in the summer or the car and the furnace fan in the winter.
- dmd 3y agoAh. I'm lucky to live somewhere where that's not really an issue (in 15 years living here we've had a total of 40 minutes of power outages, according to my UPS logs), so I forget that IS an issue for a lot of people.
- cbeach 3y agoI found the EV6 dark and claustrophobic on the inside, and uglier than the Model Y from the rear. Really dislike those weird droopy/saggy lines on the EV6 rear end. Aside from that, if you want range, the Y beats the EV6, although the EV6 charges faster (theoretically - if you can find a 350 kW charger, and if the rate can be sustained)
- tapoxi 3y agoI drive an ID4 after looking at the Model Y. It's a ground up EV and a solid competitor. As a family crossover it's great. The software is pretty dumb but that's mostly avoided thanks to wireless Android Auto and CarPlay. What won me over: Rear window was easier to see through, the above mentioned Carplay/AA support, not a fan of Tesla's extreme minimalism extending to things like air vents, brand tainted by Musk.
- fps-hero 3y agoI test drove a Polestar 2, what are these car designers thinking with rear view visibility! The between the rear headrests and huge slanted C-pillars you had a tiny sheet of paper sized opening to see out. I honestly thought the mirrors were adjusted wrong and were looking at the roof. Couple that with a half-baked 360 reversing camera that turned every obstacle into a trapezoidal blur, reversing parking that car between two other cars at the end of the drive was terrifying experience. Nice car though.
- camillomiller 3y agoWell the new Polestar solved the problem… by removing the rear window altogether and slapping a camera in its place. Not joking, look it up!
- mschuster91 3y agoHow the fuck is that even road legal?
- anovikov 3y agoSadly, in countries where no Tesla dealerships exist, it's next to impossible to buy unless you have truly unlimited budget. Model Y is in the same effective price range as Bentley: pay $100K in cash then pay $20K for each service or repair (because car has to be shipped 500 miles away on a boat and serviced there, takes 2 months and $20K). And you keep driving your Bentley in the meantime :) That's situation here in Cyprus, thus in spite of a lot of people with money willing to buy, only 0.8% of cars sold are electric vs ~20% in poorer countries that do have Tesla dealerships. Because when Tesla is there, everyone else tries hard to sell their electrics too.
- londons_explore 3y agoThere are third parties who can do most servicing.... Obviously you don't get the benefits of the warranty though, so you're probably better off buying a Tesla where the warranty has already expired. And there are plenty of car ferries to/from Cyprus, so you can get one there for under €100.
- KennyBlanken 3y ago> The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, Most automakers have long since stopped basing their electric cars on platforms designed for ICE cars that have have EV components badly squeezed into whatever space they can 'find'. They've been making platforms designed specifically to include EV drivetrain components for a while, and many have shifted to EV-specific platforms. There's also literally nothing wrong with platform-sharing, by the way; it's more efficient use of design, manufacturing, and service/support networks. The "it must be PURELY designed from the GROUND UP to be a EV" is largely marketing who-haa that hasn't been relevant for a while. The Ford Lightning? It's largely based off the F150. Who cares? It's still a brilliant car that has been selling like hotcakes and will convert a TON of good-ol-boy types to driving an electric vehicle. But here's a list of cars with EV-specific platforms: * Audi e-tron * BMW i-series * Chevy Bolt and Bolt EUV, as well as their entire Ultium platform of cars, which I believe includes the HUMMER) * Porsche Taycan * Ford Mach-E * Hyundai Ioniq 5 (and Kia equivalent) * Lucid Air * Rivian * Mercedes EQS * VW ID series * Polestar I'm probably forgetting some? All have things Tesla doesn't: an extensive dealer network for sales and service, a healthy parts distribution channel, the build quality and reliability people expect from such an expensive car, no worries about bullshit like being banned from getting parts because the company thinks your vehicle shouldn't be on the road, transmission/motor units that are properly sealed so they can be driven in heavy rain and through puddles without issue, windows that spontaneously shatter, their cars randomly braking on the highway, self-driving systems that like to slam into the back of emergency vehicles on the shoulder...
- nindalf 3y ago> The Ford Lightning? It's largely based off the F150. Is it? Feels like it was designed to be an EV, considering it has a massive frunk.
- ianai 3y agoTwo things that seem in contention can be true at the same time. They made a sled for the EV, like ie common for EVs. They built the top of it to match the F150. Both true. I’d say it’s a full fledged EV design and an F150. Just wish we had the battery breakthrough needed to give these vehicles some real range.
- pleb_nz 3y agoFew other brands winning EV car of the year these days. Tesla isn't the only good choice as ground up EV any longer.
- victor106 3y ago> the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day. The one thing I absolutely hated about driving a Tesla was regenerative breaking. They should’ve made it optional. I loved the Ford Mach-e GT. Consumer Reports had it as the best EV for reliability.
- drevil-v2 3y agoRegen braking is optional. You can change it in the settings at any time while parked
- matthewdgreen 3y agoIt was optional in pre-2020 models but recent models have removed the option. This is one reason we didn't buy one a couple years ago. (If they've added the option back since then, please let me know!) https://insideevs.com/news/451393/tesla-removes-regenerative-braking-adjustment/ https://insideevs.com/news/451393/tesla-removes-regenerative...
- bryanlarsen 3y agoIts back: https://electrek.co/2023/04/24/tesla-brings-back-regenerative-braking-options/ https://electrek.co/2023/04/24/tesla-brings-back-regenerativ... It appears that Chinese regulators forced them to put it back.
- catketch 3y agoNot any more
- itsoktocry 3y ago>The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. This is not true, it's not 2017 anymore. Everyone is designing their EVs from "the ground up". How is it that people can both think that Tesla will dominate because building EVs is simpler, but also that the legacy auto world can't figure out how to do it?
- rndmize 3y agoBecause its been over a decade now, and somehow, they're still behind? If I'm honest though, to me it feels like a Kodak situation - the legacy companies could do it, but they like their existing product lines - the ones that bring in revenue today, that they know how to build, that only need small design adjustments each year, that work with their current structure of suppliers and dealers. Why worry about this new-fangled thing you'd have to spend a bunch of time and money to get right when its only going to be X% of your sales for years? On the other hand, Tesla (and the other new electric companies) have nothing else. It's electric or die. It's carve a space out in the market now, while the legacy players are still dragging their feet, still figuring out battery issues or production issues Tesla dealt with 5-10 years ago, still figuring out how to make good software for the last 20 years, still trudging along as if things haven't much changed. Kodak didn't lose because digital cameras were harder, they lost because they didn't want to cannibalize their existing products with something easier and cheaper.