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Nice to see Microsoft trying to unify the look and feel of their products. I hope it also comes with desire to improve performance (cough Teams). I get the fee

by isodev 3y ago

Nice to see Microsoft trying to unify the look and feel of their products. I hope it also comes with desire to improve performance (cough Teams). I get the feeling that Fluent 2 is not really meant for open use by others as it is extremely opinionated even in the way one is to install it? For example, the web target only has a React variant (e.g. no vanilla html/css/js). Also the iOS/macOS library is called “fluent Apple” which is not a good name for a package in that ecosystem.

miffy900 3y ago
I'm very pessimistic; MS tried this back in 2012 with Windows 8. Everything from Windows to SharePoint to Office and Visual Studio tried to adopt the whole Metro design stuff, but they ended up creating many inconsistencies. They made some minor changes when they refreshed it again with Windows 10 in 2015 and from then until 2022 (Windows 11), they had settled on Windows 10's design language, but now this attempt to refresh will just introduce more inconsistencies. Microsoft has even more user-facing products in 2023 than they did in 2012, so it's probably going to be even worse.
- n8cpdx 3y ago
  It is worse than you describe. Windows 10’s design language was a moving target, with acrylic (later replaced by mica in Windows 11) introduced in 2017, and a move to rounded elements coming out way before Windows 12 in ~2019 (or maybe 2018) with WinUI2. For much of Windows 10’s life, even the built-in apps like Maps were visibly inconsistent internally on things like corner rounding and hover effects.
soundnote 3y ago
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/introducing-the-new-microsoft-teams-now-in-preview/ba-p/3774406 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/... The new version consumes hundreds of megabytes less memory. It consumes as much memory conducting a video call as the old version does when idle.
tempodox 3y ago
> Microsoft trying to unify the look and feel of their products. No, they aren't. They are adding another voice to the existing cacophony.

by isodev 3y ago

miffy900 3y ago

I'm very pessimistic; MS tried this back in 2012 with Windows 8. Everything from Windows to SharePoint to Office and Visual Studio tried to adopt the whole Metro design stuff, but they ended up creating many inconsistencies. They made some minor changes when they refreshed it again with Windows 10 in 2015 and from then until 2022 (Windows 11), they had settled on Windows 10's design language, but now this attempt to refresh will just introduce more inconsistencies. Microsoft has even more user-facing products in 2023 than they did in 2012, so it's probably going to be even worse.

n8cpdx 3y ago
It is worse than you describe. Windows 10’s design language was a moving target, with acrylic (later replaced by mica in Windows 11) introduced in 2017, and a move to rounded elements coming out way before Windows 12 in ~2019 (or maybe 2018) with WinUI2. For much of Windows 10’s life, even the built-in apps like Maps were visibly inconsistent internally on things like corner rounding and hover effects.

soundnote 3y ago

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/introducing-the-new-microsoft-teams-now-in-preview/ba-p/3774406 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/... The new version consumes hundreds of megabytes less memory. It consumes as much memory conducting a video call as the old version does when idle.

tempodox 3y ago

> Microsoft trying to unify the look and feel of their products. No, they aren't. They are adding another voice to the existing cacophony.