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Your bias against elon is showing and it's not a good look. You're not being very rational.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
I used to be a fan, then he showed up to the cave rescue operation with half a submarine, and in responce to crtiticism he called rescue divers pedoes. So I started wondering, can he be a good leader when he can't take criticism? How does he retain best pepple if his ego is this fragile? I am quite happy to see more people reassess him as he demonstrates capricious and callous behavioir, for exanple the Twitter aquisition whoch he first wanted then tried to get out of. I think you will come around when he targets something yoi carw about.
- abletonlive 3y ago
  No, I won't, because I don't think he's a faultless person. In fact, I think he's quite an asshole, but I can rationally separate who he is from his long list of accomplishments. Just because you want him to be a failure or a con-artist or whatever doesn't mean he actually is.
  - birdyrooster 3y ago
    Elon's biggest accomplishment is how he optimizes for capital growth by any means necessary and is willing to throw norms to the wind and think very big. Elon never had to be a good people person to succeed here. It is why successful companies allow brilliant jerks... they are so brilliant it makes up for their asshole nature. Elon is this, as much as it pains me to say it.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Jerk is not a synonym for bigoted asshole. Increasingly the cruelty (to his employees mainly, but hardly exclusively) seems to the point.
freejazz 3y ago
Why do people emphasis rationality when reasonability is much more important?
- abletonlive 3y ago
  Why do people make semantic arguments disguised as philosophy instead of making a concrete point and furthering the discussion? Seems like a cop out to me. It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say.
  - freejazz 3y ago
    It's not remotely philosophical. What's the point of emphasizing what is rational, when the likely answer is within a much smaller subset (what is reasonable). You overemphasize rationality to the point you aren't reasonable. You sit here and talk about what is rational, but you aren't reasonable and therefore it's not a good argument. We aren't dealing in the abstract world of mathematics, we are dealing with human relationships. "It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say." What a projection
    - abletonlive 3y ago
      There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him. Happy? It's not reasonable to pretend like Tesla/spacex is not a smashing success story. You're not dealing with human relationships. What are you talking about. The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks.
      - freejazz 3y ago
        Well Tesla has significantly devalued as of late, is facing tremendous regulatory scrutiny, just recently suffered a massive recall, and is likely never going to deliver on its key promise of achieving practicable self-driving car, and by all estimates from anyone else in the industry, is being completely unreasonable in going about it predominantly via computer-vision. so as an initial, I don't think your argument is reasonable at all. it goes against so of the most basic and recent facts about tesla. I can understand feeling different because you like him and he makes you feel fuzzy or something like that. but hard to say you are being reasonable - when you don't offer reasons! > The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks. This is absolutely the boundaries of human relationships and is not better defined in the space of mathematics or physics, or even game theory, to the point you boil things down to being rational/un-rational. rational is basically the lowest boundary here, it means possible, it doesn't mean likely. >There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him. I guess it depends on what you think accomplished is. I certainly think he's achieved a certain kind of status in society, I'm not sure if it's an accomplishment, but the amount of money that belongs to him is certainly very large and something anyone else would like to have.

I used to be a fan, then he showed up to the cave rescue operation with half a submarine, and in responce to crtiticism he called rescue divers pedoes. So I started wondering, can he be a good leader when he can't take criticism? How does he retain best pepple if his ego is this fragile? I am quite happy to see more people reassess him as he demonstrates capricious and callous behavioir, for exanple the Twitter aquisition whoch he first wanted then tried to get out of. I think you will come around when he targets something yoi carw about.

abletonlive 3y ago
No, I won't, because I don't think he's a faultless person. In fact, I think he's quite an asshole, but I can rationally separate who he is from his long list of accomplishments. Just because you want him to be a failure or a con-artist or whatever doesn't mean he actually is.
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  Elon's biggest accomplishment is how he optimizes for capital growth by any means necessary and is willing to throw norms to the wind and think very big. Elon never had to be a good people person to succeed here. It is why successful companies allow brilliant jerks... they are so brilliant it makes up for their asshole nature. Elon is this, as much as it pains me to say it.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Jerk is not a synonym for bigoted asshole. Increasingly the cruelty (to his employees mainly, but hardly exclusively) seems to the point.

freejazz 3y ago

Why do people emphasis rationality when reasonability is much more important?

abletonlive 3y ago
Why do people make semantic arguments disguised as philosophy instead of making a concrete point and furthering the discussion? Seems like a cop out to me. It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say.
- freejazz 3y ago
  It's not remotely philosophical. What's the point of emphasizing what is rational, when the likely answer is within a much smaller subset (what is reasonable). You overemphasize rationality to the point you aren't reasonable. You sit here and talk about what is rational, but you aren't reasonable and therefore it's not a good argument. We aren't dealing in the abstract world of mathematics, we are dealing with human relationships. "It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say." What a projection
  - abletonlive 3y ago
    There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him. Happy? It's not reasonable to pretend like Tesla/spacex is not a smashing success story. You're not dealing with human relationships. What are you talking about. The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks.
    - freejazz 3y ago
      Well Tesla has significantly devalued as of late, is facing tremendous regulatory scrutiny, just recently suffered a massive recall, and is likely never going to deliver on its key promise of achieving practicable self-driving car, and by all estimates from anyone else in the industry, is being completely unreasonable in going about it predominantly via computer-vision. so as an initial, I don't think your argument is reasonable at all. it goes against so of the most basic and recent facts about tesla. I can understand feeling different because you like him and he makes you feel fuzzy or something like that. but hard to say you are being reasonable - when you don't offer reasons! > The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks. This is absolutely the boundaries of human relationships and is not better defined in the space of mathematics or physics, or even game theory, to the point you boil things down to being rational/un-rational. rational is basically the lowest boundary here, it means possible, it doesn't mean likely. >There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him. I guess it depends on what you think accomplished is. I certainly think he's achieved a certain kind of status in society, I'm not sure if it's an accomplishment, but the amount of money that belongs to him is certainly very large and something anyone else would like to have.