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Kissinger's killing fields
- ypeterholmes 3y agoHe's the Wembanyama of the afterlife draft- devil is salivating.
- l3mure 3y ago> An exclusive archive of formerly classified U.S. military documents — assembled from the files of a secret Pentagon task force that investigated war crimes during the 1970s, inspector generals’ inquiries buried amid thousands of pages of unrelated documents, and other materials discovered during hundreds of hours of research at the U.S. National Archives — offers previously unpublished, unreported, and underappreciated evidence of civilian deaths that were kept secret during the war and remain almost entirely unknown to the American people.
- lisasays 3y agoE.O. 11652 N/A TAGS: PFOR, XC, US SUBJECT: AUGUST 8 EA PRESS SUMMARY INDOCHINA 1. CASUALTY FIGURES FOR WORST BOMBING ACCIDENT OF INDOCHINA WAR AT NEAK LUONG GIVEN BY AMEMBASSY PP AS 137 (INCLUDING 56 FANK) KILLED AND 268 (INCLUDING 137 FANK) WOUNDED, BUT KHMER OFFICIALS SAY 189 KILLED AND 315 WOUNDED. SOURCE OF BOMBING ERROR NOT YET PINPOINTED, BUT DOD BELIEVES DUE MECHANICAL OR HUMAN TECHNICAL ERROR (AP CHITRIB, NYDN, WP; BINDER, NYT; SEIDEN, SUN; CSM; MARKS, UPI, PHINQ). KIRK (CHITRIB) FINDS REACTION AT PP ONE OF RESIGNATION. CHARGE ENDERS APOLOGIZES TO GKR AND EXPRESSES PROFOUND CONDOLENCES FOR NEAK LUONG ERROR (MARKS). SUN (AP) BELIEVES DANGER OF MISTAKEN BOMBING OF FRIENDLY AREAS DUE TO US PILOTS' DEPENDENCE ON CAMBODIAN OBSERVERS FOR TARGET INFORMATION AND DANGER IS HEIGHTENING AS INSURGENTS TIGHTEN NOOSE. PHOTOGRAPHER WHO VISITED NEAK LUONG (AP WP, NYT) SAYS HALF OF TOWN DESTROYED OR HEAVILY DAMAGED AND MAIN STREET LINED WITH RUBBLE; CONTRADICTS US AIR ATTACHE WHO STATED DAMAGE NOT EXTENSIVE
- dredmorbius 3y agoIs there one of the four articles you'd recommend reading first / consider most significant?
- l3mure 3y ago'Blood on his hands,' the other 3 flesh out specific claims.
- startupsfail 3y agoFriendly fire.
- b215826 3y ago"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." -- H. Kissinger. It's sad this deplorable human being was given the Nobel Peace Prize.
- DirectorKrennic 3y agoThe quote is apocryphal. There is no evidence he said that. And if he did, it was in jest.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoPlenty of evidence he did it, however.
- runarberg 3y agoKissinger him self claims to have said it. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/P860114-1573_MC_b.html#efmCS3CUB https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/P860114-1573_MC_b.html#ef...
- monetus 3y ago502 error
- sjsdaiuasgdia 3y agoWorks for me, here's the relevant segment: Esenbel: The Europeans should find ways to meet quick needs; for example, the Air Force needs spare parts. For other items that they can't find in the stocks, maybe you could make a deal with the Dutch or others to send it here. Macomber: That is illegal. Kissinger: Before the Freedom of Information Act, I used to say at meetings, "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer." [laughter] But since the Freedom of Information Act, I'm afraid to say things like that.
- harry8 3y agohost wikileaks.org wikileaks.org has address 80.81.248.21 wikileaks.org has address 51.159.197.136 wikileaks.org mail is handled by 10 reykjavik.spp.is. For comparison in case your DNS provider is doing something that you might not care for.
- yabones 3y agoKissinger's turning 100 this Saturday. The final horcrux of 20th century imperialism.
- koolba 3y agoWatching what’s become of Ukraine and China must be keeping him going. Probably doesn’t even need a Viagra prescription anymore.
- hummer_embark 3y agoThe Ukraine war is a negative for him. He wanted to use Russia against China. Like how he previously used China against the Soviet Union. He was the one advising Trump towards detente with Russia during the 2016 campaign. Unfortunately for him, others within the deep state made that policy impossible.
- ragnot 3y agoGot any more reading for that?
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- vlovich123 3y agoThat’s an interesting take. Only a year or two ahead of the Ukrainian election Trump was threatening withholding agreed to and paid for arms shipments to Ukraine unless they announce investigations into Biden’s son. His people also blatantly lied claiming meetings with Russians ahead of elections were just about adoption policy whereas really it was about lifting the Magnitsky act which was the reason Russia banned US adoptions.
- hummer_embark 3y agoThe contact with Russia prior to inauguration was for lobbying on behalf of Israel. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flynn-israel-lobbying-russia-united-nations https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flyn...
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- JumpinJack_Cash 3y agoWhy was the US in Vietnam in the first place if the assumption was that Capitalism was much better than Communism? For something to be so much better than the alternative it sure was a close ideological race between the 2 systems.
- twoodfin 3y agoThe US was in Vietnam fundamentally because graduates of the most elite US universities were not intellectually prepared to distinguish a genuine—if morally suspect—anti-colonial popular revolution from the kind of externally orchestrated Communist takeovers of the immediate post-WW2 period.
- Maultasche 3y agoThe sad thing was that Ho Chi Minh had previously lived in the United States and initially was friendly toward the US until they started meddling in Vietnam. If the US could had gotten past the whole "communism = enemy" thing, they probably could have had quite good relations with a communist Vietnam.
- mrguyorama 3y agoThe US has pretty good relations with Vietnam now
- RIMR 3y agoSince when was hostility to imperialism suspicious? Like, you think we were right to use military force to defend ourselves against a country that was defending itself against invasion? That just sounds like justifying an unlawful and immoral invasion after-the-fact...
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- celtoid 3y agoNot just Cambodia. What Kissinger and Nixon did in Chile in 1973 was a crime that brought untold suffering to the people of Chile. "...[What are we to make of] President Nixon and Secretary of State Kissinger who, having been emboldened by various multinational corporations such as IT&T and PEPSICO, pursued another attempt to bring down Allende, an attempt which was operated through the White House and even kept secret from the 40 Committee? According to Kissinger, this plan involved a group that was unknown to others ‘and charged with the responsibility of working with the Chilean military in bringing about a coup against Allende.”? They suc- ceeded."[0] [0] "Democracy Versus The National Security State", Marcus Raskin, 1976: https://archive.org/details/democracy-versus-the-national-security-state/page/204/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/democracy-versus-the-national-se...
- mjhay 3y agoWe're still doing the same antics. The OAS and State Dept supported the failed (literal) fascist coup in Bolivia, and also the recent one in Peru that has lead to quite a few deaths so far due to police/military brutality. Both were claimed to somehow be about upholding democracy despite strong popular opposition.
- celtoid 3y agoLike the old joke goes- Q: Why will there never be a coup d’état in Washington? A: Because there’s no American embassy there.
- missedthecue 3y agoThe coup attempt in Perú was by a leftist politician, it wasn't some right-wing power grab. Castillo was overwhelmingly voted to be removed from power by democratic means. He flailed and tried to get the military on his side and it didn't work. The current president of Perú is not some installed puppet, it's Castillo's vice president. Saying it was US anti-leftist meddling is baseless conspiracy theory. (I'm Peruvian and live in Perú.)
- sillywalk 3y agoAlso the invasion of East Timor, the Bangladesh War (see Blood Telegram)..
- pessimizer 3y agoNeither major US party has significantly different policy than Kissinger, and currently both are significantly more aggressive. They also both believe that Domino Theory is true. The major difference is that Kissinger and Nixon opened up China, while the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today. Kissinger is a scapegoat that lets everyone else off. He's another Judith Miller for the liberal soul. Here's the LA Times calling Kissinger a wimp last year: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-02-21/richard-nixon-henry-kissinger-trip-to-china-50th-anniversary-taiwan-vietnam-war https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-02-21/richard-nix... Here's NYT pretending they weren't calling him an idiot and a coward by writing a story quoting only people calling him an idiot and a coward: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/henry-kissinger-ukraine-russia-davos.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/henry-kissin... edit: also, I hate to add this because it's so 2023, but it's a trope that we blame on the one Jewish guy everything a bunch of WASPs did on his advice.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago> while the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today. I mostly see the CCP's concentration camps and sociopathic indifference to fundamental rights as the biggest threat to the world today. Of course, I can see your point of view too, that the "less evil" regimes are so arrogant in always boasting about how they're "less evil". As if that matters. Everyone knows that if they stopped doing that, the world would improve.
- AbrahamParangi 3y ago"the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today" This is a pretty crazy thing to say. I am aware that you can find this opinion in Chinese propaganda but what leads you to believe that this is actually true and the US/China tension is not a function of the fact that the US is an ally to most democracies and opposed to most authoritarian states? I mean, if we just look at a list of who the US calls "adversaries": Iran North Korea Russia China ISIS Are there any trends we can pick out here? Any commonalities?
- kornhole 3y agoImperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.
- pasquinelli 3y agowar is a racket after all. https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket
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- comrh 3y agoMany articles are not in support of the current war in Ukraine. A lot of ink has been spilled on what Russia is doing is wrong and should immediately end their war.
- kornhole 3y agoPeople of the US must support their leader to make war. Similarly people of Russia must support their leader for war. An American journal like the Intercept has near zero influence on people in Russia just as Komsomolskaya Pravda has near zero influence on us. If an outlet is promoting hate against another country rather than paths of diplomacy, it is promoting war.
- ultrasaurus 3y agoIt's mind-boggling how often there are military disasters because of someone skipping a single obvious step like "fail[ing] to flip an offset switch" or "mak[ing] no attempt to warn any of the other Allied ships" after being hit by a torpedo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Savo_Island#Action_south_of_Savo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Savo_Island#Action_s...
- msla 3y agoSo many people were wrong about Cambodia: https://globalist.yale.edu/in-the-magazine/glimpses/ghosts-of-cambodias-past/ https://globalist.yale.edu/in-the-magazine/glimpses/ghosts-o... > At the time, American scholars Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman argued that media claims of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda, designed to make the US look favorable in the ongoing Vietnam War. Swedish diplomat Gunnar Bergstrom dined with Pol Pot in Phnom Penh while the dictator’s cadres continued their genocide. Global powers like the United States and China promoted pro-Khmer-Rouge resolutions in the United Nations after their removal from Cambodia. Ironically, academics, politicians, and foreigners were key Khmer Rouge targets for extermination. PDF: https://scholarcommons.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1070&context=historical-perspectives https://scholarcommons.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1... > Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman’s 1977 article, “Distortions at Fourth Hand,” published in the left-leaning publication The Nation, exemplifies the perspective of the left in regards to Cambodia during the 1970s. Although Chomsky and Herman acknowledge that Cambodia was facing a time of extreme suffering, they criticize less ideologically driven publications like The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Time for reporting Khmer Rouge crimes for which “there is no independent confirmatory evidence.”12 Citing other liberal publications like The Economist, Chomsky and Herman declare that the evidence suggests, “Executions have numbered at most in the thousands.” They even go so far as to claim, “The ‘slaughter’ by the Khmer Rouge is a...New York Times creation.”
- camillomiller 3y agoSo, let me understand: the mistake of a non-military intellectual who was not in a position of power at the time, and was proven wrong about his ideologically loaded perspective, is presented as an equivalent to the position of a high ranking official that physically commanded actions that killed thousands of innocent civilians?
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- msla 3y agoNo, of course not. I'm just providing context.
- sillywalk 3y agoAlthough I despise Kissinger, I'm not sure it's fair to put it all responsibility on him. There is more blame to go around. Author is Nick Turse. I can recommend his 'Kill Anything That Moves' as a good book on the Vietnam War.
- g8oz 3y agoThis article is an excellent riposte to the nauseatingly worshipful interview with Kissinger that the Economist published this week. https://www.economist.com/briefing/2023/05/17/henry-kissinger-explains-how-to-avoid-world-war-three https://www.economist.com/briefing/2023/05/17/henry-kissinge...
- camillomiller 3y agoAs a journalist, I am disgusted by what the Economist has become. Or maybe was it always this low level boot-licking rag?
- agentdrtran 3y agoIt was literally founded as a boot-licking rag! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist#History
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