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Still too early to tell

mikeyouse 3y ago
Lol no. They've saved millions of lives and trillions of dollars with no downside except in the minds of weirdo antivaxxers that p-hack their way into obviously false beliefs.
- dangwhy 3y ago
  Doesn't africa have really low vaccination rate at like less than 25% in most countries?
  - mikeyouse 3y ago
    Contra dozens of studies showing the effectiveness and number of deaths averted in countries with strong public health reporting and organization, the existence of lower rates of disease in some African countries with low vaccine uptake is persuasive to you?
  - unmole 3y ago
    Africa also has a population that is very young: A combination of both high birth rates and low life expectancy. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
    - Scoundreller 3y ago
      Yup. 60% of the continent’s population is under 25. > All of the world's top 10 youngest countries by median age are in Africa, with Niger in first place with a median age of 15.1 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_in_Africa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_in_Africa
    - alienicecream 3y ago
      Maybe the point that since young people are at much less risk, it would have made sense to target the vaccines at the kinds of people that COVID was a threat to, and not quarantine us all and fire anyone who didn't want to take it.
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      So does China and other Asian countries
- JimtheCoder 3y ago
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- worksonmine 3y ago
  > Lol no > weirdo antivaxxers Good points, I'm sure you've put a lot of thought into this.
  - mikeyouse 3y ago
    Every single public health professional in the world has, so I can just summarize. The modern world is pretty great.
    - worksonmine 3y ago
      > Every single public health professional I beg to differ, but sure give it your best shot. Start with explaining the methodology behind the claim for "trillions of dollars saved", then continue with "no downsides". The way you speak in absolutes is a sign you don't know what you're talking about.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    Yes no thoughtful individual has ever used colloquial language good observation.
- t0bia_s 3y ago
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- smellyshaft1 3y ago
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agubelu 3y ago
It's been roughly two years since the initial rollouts, and more since the clinical trials. When will it stop being "too early to tell"?
- TurkishPoptart 3y ago
  We (in the U.S.) are giving these to 5-year-olds. We don't know if there will be developmental issues, and we won't for quite some time. Remember, Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 70 years until releasing it. [1] [1]: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importance-judge-orders-fda-hasten-release-pfizer-vaccine-docs-2022-01-07/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importanc...
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    We don't know the long-term developmental effects of repeated infections either. There's no reasonable control group here.
    - dangwhy 3y ago
      > repeated infections Do you mean infections with lower intensity? I still got infected second time with all the boosters. It was less intense perhaps, but not sure.
  - mikeyouse 3y ago
    > Remember, Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 70 years until releasing it. [1] Please attempt to be honest with your critiques. The FDA (not Pfizer) said that with current staffing and funding levels, and given the rest of their FOIA requests, it would take 75 years to scrub and release the patient files for PII. As is completely routine, a judge told them this needed to be a priority so they would have to turn over the files in under a year. Since then, they've turned over 780,000 pages of records and the plantiffs attorneys are all dropping off the case since they realize there's nothing there and they're just completely standard patient charts as the FDA had previously told them. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.353278/gov.uscourts.txnd.353278.67.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.35...

Lol no. They've saved millions of lives and trillions of dollars with no downside except in the minds of weirdo antivaxxers that p-hack their way into obviously false beliefs.

dangwhy 3y ago
Doesn't africa have really low vaccination rate at like less than 25% in most countries?
- mikeyouse 3y ago
  Contra dozens of studies showing the effectiveness and number of deaths averted in countries with strong public health reporting and organization, the existence of lower rates of disease in some African countries with low vaccine uptake is persuasive to you?
- unmole 3y ago
  Africa also has a population that is very young: A combination of both high birth rates and low life expectancy. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    Yup. 60% of the continent’s population is under 25. > All of the world's top 10 youngest countries by median age are in Africa, with Niger in first place with a median age of 15.1 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_in_Africa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_in_Africa
  - alienicecream 3y ago
    Maybe the point that since young people are at much less risk, it would have made sense to target the vaccines at the kinds of people that COVID was a threat to, and not quarantine us all and fire anyone who didn't want to take it.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    So does China and other Asian countries
JimtheCoder 3y ago
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worksonmine 3y ago
> Lol no > weirdo antivaxxers Good points, I'm sure you've put a lot of thought into this.
- mikeyouse 3y ago
  Every single public health professional in the world has, so I can just summarize. The modern world is pretty great.
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    > Every single public health professional I beg to differ, but sure give it your best shot. Start with explaining the methodology behind the claim for "trillions of dollars saved", then continue with "no downsides". The way you speak in absolutes is a sign you don't know what you're talking about.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Yes no thoughtful individual has ever used colloquial language good observation.
t0bia_s 3y ago
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smellyshaft1 3y ago
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agubelu 3y ago

It's been roughly two years since the initial rollouts, and more since the clinical trials. When will it stop being "too early to tell"?

TurkishPoptart 3y ago
We (in the U.S.) are giving these to 5-year-olds. We don't know if there will be developmental issues, and we won't for quite some time. Remember, Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 70 years until releasing it. [1] [1]: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importance-judge-orders-fda-hasten-release-pfizer-vaccine-docs-2022-01-07/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importanc...
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  We don't know the long-term developmental effects of repeated infections either. There's no reasonable control group here.
  - dangwhy 3y ago
    > repeated infections Do you mean infections with lower intensity? I still got infected second time with all the boosters. It was less intense perhaps, but not sure.
- mikeyouse 3y ago
  > Remember, Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 70 years until releasing it. [1] Please attempt to be honest with your critiques. The FDA (not Pfizer) said that with current staffing and funding levels, and given the rest of their FOIA requests, it would take 75 years to scrub and release the patient files for PII. As is completely routine, a judge told them this needed to be a priority so they would have to turn over the files in under a year. Since then, they've turned over 780,000 pages of records and the plantiffs attorneys are all dropping off the case since they realize there's nothing there and they're just completely standard patient charts as the FDA had previously told them. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.353278/gov.uscourts.txnd.353278.67.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.35...