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> All this feels like a rehash of the British Empire selling Opium to China in the 18th century. Only this time it's China supplying the United States ... Two
by AdieuToLogic 3y ago
> All this feels like a rehash of the British Empire selling Opium to China in the 18th century. Only this time it's China supplying the United States ...
Two wrongs do not make a right.
- what-no-tests 3y ago> Two wrongs do not make a right. How is that different than karma?
- gtop3 3y agoWhy is the US the inheritor of the British Empire's karma?
- pxue 3y agoUS was part of the 8-nation alliance invaded manchuria.
- jojobas 3y agoOnly some 60 years after the last Opium War.
- synergy20 3y agowhich was reacting to China's Boxers killing foreigners esp religious people like wild fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance. After the invasion USA returned the "Boxer Protocol" money to create the best univ in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tsinghua_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tsinghua_University Not to mention US helped China to fight Japan, and build hospitals,etc. US never took an inch territory from China when it had the power to do that. Russia on the other hand took a huge chunk territory from China and invaded and killed countless Chinese, but, China loves Russia while always hated US, I could never figure out why.
- onethought 3y agoChina doesn't hate the US. Where did you see the hate? It also doesn't love Russia... I'm confused. Also the Korean War happened. American bullets chopping up thousands of Chinese... it happened.
- synergy20 3y agoread true history how Korea war started. and no, USA army did not enter China, they were surprised to be ambushed by Chinese soldiers there out from nowhere, then both started killing. china "volunteered" to start killing Americans first in Korea and USA never even entered china.
- onethought 3y agoWhy was the USA Army in Korea? I didn't say who started it, nor is that really important, but there was the claim US had never done anything to China... it's not true.
- synergy20 3y agowhy,who started is crucial to any war. also,china sent troops to Korea many times over history to fight why was it in korea again and again? and here is how the war started: https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-causes-us-involvement https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-causes-us-involvemen... historically countries all had conflicts and wars, if that's where you're going for "USA did something to China", you can list what they exactly did. While you do that, please do not forget, Chinese killed each other over history and it's probably 1 million times more than whatever the western alliance did together. Not an excuse for any sides, history is just sad and bloody, but focusing on blaming other countries is barking the wrong tree, for the most part.
- onethought 3y agoI was just refuting the false claim. The whataboutism you're engaging in doesn't change the falsity.
- AdieuToLogic 3y ago> > Two wrongs do not make a right. > How is that different than karma? Because the United States is not, nor has ever been, a part of the British Empire. Karma[0]: the force generated by a person's actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence Even when extending the definition from "a person" to "a country", karma[0] does not apply in this situation. 0 - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/karma https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/karma
- onethought 3y agoUnited States did partake in the Opium trade in China, even though they were well aware of the harm, and profited from the wars the British and French fought. Drawing a distinction that the US is completely seperate from the British Empire is pretty dishonest. If you mean the "state" sure, by definition, but it's culture, origin, people, primary (though not official) language all came from the British empire.
- gaadd33 3y agoAren't Americans of German descent the largest group in the country? I didn't think that Americans of English/British descent were anywhere close (I would guess third at best, after Irish descent)
- onethought 3y agoGuess that's why the war of independence was with the germans... ;)
- reducesuffering 3y agoGerman-Americans are largest self-identified. But if we're talking about white people, US originated almost entirely by English people until the 1820 wave of German immigration. English are the largest, followed by German, Irish, Italian.
- AdieuToLogic 3y ago
- Larrikin 3y agoShould ancient religions dictate punishment and morality?
- SllX 3y agoWe don't all pay deference to religious concepts like "karma".
- anonporridge 3y agoThat comment doesn't imply that it does.
- AdieuToLogic 3y agoThe GP equated Brits selling (supplying) opium to China to China supplying Fentanyl to the US. Both actions have provably deleterious effects to a population. How does that not imply "two wrongs"?
- amanaplanacanal 3y agoit doesn't imply that it's right.
- Bran_son 3y agoPerhaps not, but by instilling guilt in your victim, you can prevent them from defending themselves, if you convince them they "deserve it". Keep an eye out for this tactic - it is very common.
- karmakurtisaani 3y agoTo me it seems silly to put the blame on China here. The US drug policy and overall capability to care for its poor has been a disaster for decades, with the drug policy slowly changing for the better recently. It feels wrong to turn this into some kind of anti-China thing (plenty of other, better reasons certainly exist).
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoThe current fentanyl epidemic is worse than the previous drug waves, I don’t see US drug policy getting more lenient, quite the opposite actually.
- karmakurtisaani 3y agoIndeed, what I was referring to was the legalisation of weed in some states. No doubt the war on drugs will keep on going for years to come.
- MilStdJunkie 3y agoA corollary of "both-sides-ism", I think.
- dfdg 3y ago[flagged]
- sshine 3y ago> Two wrongs do not make a right. No, but three rights make a left.