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any guesses about how soon this will be available in distributions like pop os?

dogleash 3y ago
How often does your distro update the kernel? Does your distro ship stable or an LTS kernel? Will this patch even get backported into LTS kernels? How often does your distro cut new disto releases? tl;dr: I think pop is a Ubuntu flavor, so ~6 months and/or it's already available today if you're not afraid to compile your own kernel.
- Shared404 3y ago
  > tl;dr: I think pop is a Ubuntu flavor, so ~6 months and/or it's already available today if you're not afraid to compile your own kernel Pop isn't currently following the Ubuntu release cadence, they've got some internal development that their focusing on instead currently.
zamalek 3y ago
You'll probably spend more time setting up bleeding edge kernel PPAs and what-have-you than this will save you. If "when will I get?" is ever a question for you, then an Ubuntu-based distro is probably the wrong choice: Ubuntu is about stability, not features.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  While this is true, they do occasionally backport some stuff from newer kernels (usually for security reasons). This looks like a reasonably easy-to-backport patch, assuming the code hasn't been refactored since Ubuntu pinned their kernel version for a release of choice.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  When did this change? I remember the opposite being true, i.e. jumping on Wayland, PulseAudio when it still had issues, etc.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Depends on if you're running LTS or an in-between release... the release right before an LTS can be really active in the first 3 months or so. At least that's been my experience. That said, some updates will be frozen entirely at the release before LTS. In either case, I wouldn't expect it before 12-18 months... The RDNA 1 drivers seemed to take 8 months to see something stable drop in an LTS, the release before LTS was running an older kernel and had to add a custom PPA for more bleeding edge kernels (breaking a bunch of other stuff, but at least I could see the screen, when an update didn't kill it).
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Ok. But back to the question. When might PopOS get this?
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Probably 12-18 months. Next major LTS or the release before is where most jumps happen. If it's less than 6 months until the next LTS, then wouldn't expect it until the interim release after the next LTS... at least that's been my general experience. Then another month or two from the downstream PopOS release.
danudey 3y ago
If you wanted to compile your own kernel, that's an option. You can use the `make oldconfig` target to import the kernel config from your OS; you'd lose any distribution patches that were made, but generally speaking it would be fine in every way I can think of. You can find basic instructions here: https://www.baeldung.com/linux/oldconfig-target-kernel-makefile#the-oldconfig-target https://www.baeldung.com/linux/oldconfig-target-kernel-makef... Is it worth going to all the trouble of doing this to save slightly over 1/10th of a second on wake from sleep? Probably not. Is it fun to experiment with? That's up to you to decide.

How often does your distro update the kernel? Does your distro ship stable or an LTS kernel? Will this patch even get backported into LTS kernels? How often does your distro cut new disto releases? tl;dr: I think pop is a Ubuntu flavor, so ~6 months and/or it's already available today if you're not afraid to compile your own kernel.

Shared404 3y ago
> tl;dr: I think pop is a Ubuntu flavor, so ~6 months and/or it's already available today if you're not afraid to compile your own kernel Pop isn't currently following the Ubuntu release cadence, they've got some internal development that their focusing on instead currently.

zamalek 3y ago

You'll probably spend more time setting up bleeding edge kernel PPAs and what-have-you than this will save you. If "when will I get?" is ever a question for you, then an Ubuntu-based distro is probably the wrong choice: Ubuntu is about stability, not features.

jeroenhd 3y ago
While this is true, they do occasionally backport some stuff from newer kernels (usually for security reasons). This looks like a reasonably easy-to-backport patch, assuming the code hasn't been refactored since Ubuntu pinned their kernel version for a release of choice.
PrimeMcFly 3y ago
When did this change? I remember the opposite being true, i.e. jumping on Wayland, PulseAudio when it still had issues, etc.
- tracker1 3y ago
  Depends on if you're running LTS or an in-between release... the release right before an LTS can be really active in the first 3 months or so. At least that's been my experience. That said, some updates will be frozen entirely at the release before LTS. In either case, I wouldn't expect it before 12-18 months... The RDNA 1 drivers seemed to take 8 months to see something stable drop in an LTS, the release before LTS was running an older kernel and had to add a custom PPA for more bleeding edge kernels (breaking a bunch of other stuff, but at least I could see the screen, when an update didn't kill it).
nonethewiser 3y ago
Ok. But back to the question. When might PopOS get this?
- tracker1 3y ago
  Probably 12-18 months. Next major LTS or the release before is where most jumps happen. If it's less than 6 months until the next LTS, then wouldn't expect it until the interim release after the next LTS... at least that's been my general experience. Then another month or two from the downstream PopOS release.

danudey 3y ago

If you wanted to compile your own kernel, that's an option. You can use the `make oldconfig` target to import the kernel config from your OS; you'd lose any distribution patches that were made, but generally speaking it would be fine in every way I can think of. You can find basic instructions here: https://www.baeldung.com/linux/oldconfig-target-kernel-makefile#the-oldconfig-target https://www.baeldung.com/linux/oldconfig-target-kernel-makef... Is it worth going to all the trouble of doing this to save slightly over 1/10th of a second on wake from sleep? Probably not. Is it fun to experiment with? That's up to you to decide.